comme cela est usuel

English translation: as is often the case

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French term or phrase:	comme cela est usuel
English translation:	as is often the case
Entered by:	Patricia Newell

00:16 Jan 18, 2020

French to English translations [Non-PRO]
Medical - General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters / summary letter of medical exam

French term or phrase: comme cela est usuel

This is in a summary letter from a doctor (Hospital in France) who is describing the clinical exam findings of a patient. The patient has a serious illness but the manifestations of this disease only appear a few times per month. The sentence is:

"Ce jour l'examen clinique est comme cela est usuel strictement normal : Il n'y a pas de deficit....."

Thanks for your feedback

Patricia Newell KudoZ activity Questions: 2 (none open) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 0 New Zealand
Local time: 19:33

as is often the case

Explanation:
This is my reading of it with "usuel" meaning "courant" in this case.

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Note added at 12 hrs (2020-01-18 12:32:17 GMT)
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Drmanu49 has a very legitimate point below in his neutral. We may well need to change to "as is often the case WITH THIS PATIENT"

Selected response from:

SafeTex
France
Local time: 09:33

Grading comment

‘as is often the case’

The patient, and most patients with this illness, have severe manifestations that occur after specific events. The frequency and duration vary. Other than these episodes patients appear completely normal. So, this translation fits perfectly and expresses what I thought the MD was saying. Thank you very much for all your help.

“The clinical examination was, as is often the case, completely normal: there was no deficit observed, no abnormality of the reflexes…”

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Summary of answers provided

2 +5

as is often the case

SafeTex

4 +2

as usual

Drmanu49

4 -3

as it is usual / as it is usually the case

Daryo

Answers

4 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -3

as it is usual / as it is usually the case

Explanation:
"cela est usuel" implies a high probability of s.t. occurring, so high that it's the most expected, the "norm".

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:33
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 105

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

disagree

Jennifer White: no "it". "As is usually" etc./ In this context, this is wrong. SafeTex's answer is correct. Not the Bible, just correct English

6 hrs

-> Was my memory of real life usage playing tricks on me? I think it's rather you taking your personal preferences as "THE Bible" // "as it is usually the case" EXACTLY THAT gets just about 22 MILLION ghits - sounds to me like awfully a lot for a "mistake"?

disagree

AllegroTrans: Sorry, ungrammatical

18 hrs

disagree

Yvonne Gallagher: ungrammatical

2 days 17 hrs

neutral

Tony M: I agree with the others: this is simply not normal, current EN usage! It will be found in older texts, and also in the form 'as it is usual [to do etc.]'; again 'as it is usually' will be used after sthg has been said to 'be' something.

5 days

9 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

as usual

Explanation:
just "as usual" which is exactly the meaning in French.

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Note added at 11 heures (2020-01-18 12:11:10 GMT)
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or as expected

Drmanu49
France
Local time: 09:33
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 84

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

writeaway: as usual basically suggests always. imo commonly, generally, frequently are closer to the French meaning

1 hr

-> Not quite always but here as expected

agree

Daryo: with "as expected" - it's that level of probability

2 hrs

-> Thank you.

neutral

SafeTex: Unfortunately, this is ambigous as it basically would say "not to do something as usual" i.e. "often does not do something", vs "does not do something as we would normally expect". The context here is probably not clear enough to disambiguate

2 hrs

-> Nothing ambiguous for an observation (no action here) and backed up by as expected.

agree

Eliza Hall: Given the context, I don't see this as ambiguous. Usually the patient is normal; occasionally the disease flares up and she's not normal.

11 hrs

-> Thank you.

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

as is often the case

SafeTex
France
Local time: 09:33
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 19

Grading comment

Notes to answerer

Asker: ‘as is often the case’ The patient, and most patients with this illness, have severe manifestations that occur after specific events. The frequency and duration vary. Other than these episodes patients appear completely normal. So, this translation fits perfectly and expresses what I thought the MD was saying. Thank you very much for all your help. “The clinical examination was, as is often the case, completely normal: there was no deficit observed, no abnormality of the reflexes…”

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

Daryo: I think "often" would imply that it's not so frequent as "usual(ly)" // it's certainly not an earth-shattering difference, but it's still a difference.

58 mins

-> You could just as easily given me an agree with that as an alternative Daryo.

agree

GILLES MEUNIER

1 hr

-> Thanks

agree

Josephine Cassar

2 hrs

-> Thanks Josephine

agree

Jennifer White

7 hrs

-> Thanks Jennifer

neutral

Drmanu49: does not convey the source sentence meaning. That would be comme c'est souvent le cas. As is often the case would suggest other patients.

8 hrs

-> okay, now that's more interesting! Do the manifestations only show up a couple of times a month with this patient or more generally with all patients? Do we need to add "...with this patient". I can relate to this neutral.

agree

AllegroTrans

19 hrs

-> Thanks AllegroTrans

agree

erwan-l

1 day 10 hrs

-> Thanks Erwan-l

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