propositions relatives imbriquées

English translation: Nested/Embedded relative clauses

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French term or phrase:propositions relatives imbriquées
English translation:Nested/Embedded relative clauses
Entered by: Delaina

10:26 Jan 6, 2021
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French term or phrase: propositions relatives imbriquées
Une fois accepté pour parution, l'article est enfin relu par l'un·e des deux expert·e·s internes pour une relecture spécifique que nous appelons « pré-traduction ». Lors de cette dernière, on veille non seulement à ce que la langue soit exempte de tournures syntaxiques alambiquées (propositions relatives imbriquées, doubles négations, etc.) qui sont autant de potentielles sources d’erreurs dans la phase de traduction, mais aussi à ce que le texte soit directement intelligible pour un lectorat non français et/ou non francophone.

Do any grammarians know a translation for 'propositions relatives imbriquées', please? It may be that it will be more appropriate to change the example in EN, but it'd be great to know if there's a set translation before deciding on this.
Delaina
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:29
Nested/Embedded relative clauses
Explanation:
For the purpose of the translator, the terms ''nesting'' and ''embedding'' can be used interchangeably.
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Saeed Najmi
Morocco
Local time: 06:29
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Thanks to all answerers, especially @liz askew & @Thomas Miles. It appears overall that the terms nested/embedded are interchangeable in this context.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2nested relative clauses
liz askew
3 +1embedded relative clauses
Thomas Miles
4Nested/Embedded relative clauses
Saeed Najmi
3Connective (or coordinate) relative clauses
Bokani Hart


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Connective (or coordinate) relative clauses


Explanation:
See:

http://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/2012/03/exploring-co...

http://www.brushup.eu/connective-relative-clauses/#:~:text=C...

Bokani Hart
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:29
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  SafeTex: I don't think this is quite the same thing but it's too long to explain why in a comment
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embedded relative clauses


Explanation:
Une possibilité.

Thomas Miles
France
Local time: 07:29
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

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agree  SafeTex: I did lingustics at Uni and this is the term we used, which get around 4 times as many ghits so I'd go with this
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  -> Thanks SafeTex.
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nested relative clauses


Explanation:
http://www.taalportaal.org/taalportaal/topic/link/syntax__Du...

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This section discusses relative constructions containing more than one relative clause. The relative clauses in such constructions can be stacked, nested or coordinated. Some examples are given in (362). In example (362a), the two subclauses are stacked: as indicated by the indices, the first relative clause modifies the antecedent student'student', while the second relative clause modifies the sequence student die hiernaast woont'student who lives next door'. Such constructions differ from cases of nesting, illustrated in (362b), where the second relative clause modifies a noun phrase contained in the first relative clause. Both types of construction differ from cases of simple coordination of relative clauses, as in (362c), where each relative clause modifies the same antecedent. As we will see in the following subsections, stacking of relative clauses is fully acceptable only with restrictive relative clauses (as in example (362a)); coordination and nesting are possible both with restrictive and with non-restrictive relative clauses.
Example 362
a. De [[studenti [dieihiernaast woont]]j [diej Engels studeert]] komt uit Japan.
the student who next.door lives who English studies is from Japan
'The student who lives next door who studies English, is from Japan.'
b. De studenti [dieinet een boekj kocht [datj over WO II gaat]] is mijn vriend.
the student who just a book bought which about WW II goes is my friend
'The student who has just bought a book which is about WW II is my friend.'
c. De mani [dieihier net was] en [dieiRussisch sprak] is een bekend schrijver.
the man who here just was and who Russian spoke is a well-known writer
'The man who was just here and who spoke Russian is a well-known writer.'Subsection I will discuss stacking and coordination of relative clauses of the same type. Subsection II will continue by discussing nesting of restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses. Subsection III, finally, will consider constructions containing relative clauses of different types, that is, combinations of a restrictive and a non-restrictive relative clause.
I. Stacking and coordination of relative clauses
A. Restrictive relative clauses
B. Non-restrictive relative clauses
II. Nesting of restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses
III. Mixed constructions with restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses


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Task B - indirectly nested clauses (i) - relative clauses (RCls)www.lancaster.ac.uk › stylistics › topic7 › 9nesting2
We have now seen that Noun clauses, Adverbial clauses and Prepositional clauses can all be directly nested (embedded) inside main clauses (i.e. comprise a whole SPOCA element within the main clause). We also need to take account of the fact that clauses can be indirectly nested inside main clauses.

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:29
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

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agree  philgoddard: Or overlapping.
2 hrs
  -> Trouble is I could not find your suggestion

agree  Thomas Miles: This sounds good, but I would still like to propose my own suggestion.
2 hrs
  -> Fair enough. I tend to go for the researched answer, especially as this is not my area
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Nested/Embedded relative clauses


Explanation:
For the purpose of the translator, the terms ''nesting'' and ''embedding'' can be used interchangeably.

Example sentence(s):
  • Nesting is when a clause has another clause embedded inside it.

    Reference: http://https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/fass/projects/stylistics/...
Saeed Najmi
Morocco
Local time: 06:29
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Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks to all answerers, especially @liz askew & @Thomas Miles. It appears overall that the terms nested/embedded are interchangeable in this context.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: You can't just repost other people's answers.
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