between a rock and a hard place

English translation: in a very difficult situation

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English term or phrase:between a rock and a hard place
Selected answer:in a very difficult situation
Entered by: airmailrpl

06:56 Dec 15, 2004
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Slang / idiom (?)
English term or phrase: between a rock and a hard place
I'm telling you, that girl was a Georgia peach, and she was the apple of my eye to boot. But I was between a rock and a hard place and didn't have so much as a pot to piss in. The thing is, if I had it to do all over again, it'd be a whole different story, you can bank on that.

Does "between a rock and a hard place" here mean literally, or is it an idiom? Thank you.
Yohanes Sutopo
Local time: 14:10
in a very difficult situation
Explanation:
between a rock and a hard place => in a very difficult situation

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Note added at 10 mins (2004-12-15 07:06:23 GMT)
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Between A Rock And A Hard Place ( stuck between two opposing forces )
To say that one is stuck \"between a rock and a hard place\" stresses that there are two forces which are restricting one\'s movement. Often it is the opposite direction of these forces that causes the sticking point. One is unable for some particular reason to do something that one would like to do, such as act or not act in a certain way. \"I\'d like to help you but I am stuck between a rock and a hard place.\" To have someone between a rock and a hard place is to have them in a position that causes them to make a choice that they don\'t want to make. \"You\'ve got me between a rock and a hard place; I\'ll sell it to you at the price you quoted.\"
http://www.goenglish.com/BetweenARockAndAHardPlace.asp

between a rock and a hard place =>in a difficult position, making a difficult choice, => Sophie\'s choice..If I told the truth, I would lose my friend. I was between a rock and a hard place.
http://home.t-online.de/home/toni.goeller/idiom_wm/id71.htm



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Note added at 22 mins (2004-12-15 07:18:40 GMT)
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Idioms:
between a rock and a hard place
Confronted with equally unpleasant alternatives and few or no opportunities to evade or circumvent them.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rock

Idiom: between the devil and the deep blue sea
In a situation where the alternatives are equally undesirable.
Thesaurus: in trouble, desperate, in difficulty, between a rock and a hard place.
http://www.allwords.com/word-between the devil and the deep ...

-- \"between a rock and a hard place (in a difficult situation where the person cannot escape pain or failure)
http://www.arlington.k12.va.us/schools/barrett/webquest/idio...

If you find yourself caught between a rock and a hard place, it means that you are in a very awkward position and have to make a difficult choice. For example, If I told the truth, I would lose my friend. I was caught between a rock and a hard place.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/edu/edu_back/010716/vocab.sh...
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airmailrpl
Brazil
Local time: 04:10
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SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
5 +11in a very difficult situation
airmailrpl
4 +4idiom
Kardi Kho
4 +3under conflicting pressures
Richard Benham
5 +1an impossible situation
Charlesp
4 -1broke, without a dime to his name, hard up
Refugio


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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
idiom


Explanation:
It's an idiom meaning in a difficult situation, one where you have to choose between two things, both of which are unpleasant.
HTH


    OED
Kardi Kho
Indonesia
Local time: 14:10
Native speaker of: Native in IndonesianIndonesian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Richard Benham
59 mins

agree  Tony M
1 hr

agree  Balaban Cerit
4 hrs

agree  James Girard
1 day 7 hrs
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
broke, without a dime to his name, hard up


Explanation:
In this case, I think it means he can't afford to pursue her, but in other contexts it could have a different meaning. Not having a pot to piss in mean to be very poor.

Refugio
Local time: 00:10
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: Well, I don't doubt that the man in question is broke --- but this really can't be said to be the 'standard' meaning of this specific idiom /// Sorry Ruth, I didn't know it was like that in AE...
1 hr
  -> In the US it can, and I assume from the 'Georgia peach" that it is

neutral  Richard Benham: I think Yohanes needs to find separate translations for the two expressions. I'd say the text is designed to test his knowledge of the *standard* meanings of cliched metaphors.//WRT Dusty's point, I think being broke is one of the horns of his dilemma.
1 hr
  -> This is often the meaning of 'between a rock and a hard place' in the US
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +11
in a very difficult situation


Explanation:
between a rock and a hard place => in a very difficult situation

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Note added at 10 mins (2004-12-15 07:06:23 GMT)
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Between A Rock And A Hard Place ( stuck between two opposing forces )
To say that one is stuck \"between a rock and a hard place\" stresses that there are two forces which are restricting one\'s movement. Often it is the opposite direction of these forces that causes the sticking point. One is unable for some particular reason to do something that one would like to do, such as act or not act in a certain way. \"I\'d like to help you but I am stuck between a rock and a hard place.\" To have someone between a rock and a hard place is to have them in a position that causes them to make a choice that they don\'t want to make. \"You\'ve got me between a rock and a hard place; I\'ll sell it to you at the price you quoted.\"
http://www.goenglish.com/BetweenARockAndAHardPlace.asp

between a rock and a hard place =>in a difficult position, making a difficult choice, => Sophie\'s choice..If I told the truth, I would lose my friend. I was between a rock and a hard place.
http://home.t-online.de/home/toni.goeller/idiom_wm/id71.htm



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Note added at 22 mins (2004-12-15 07:18:40 GMT)
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Idioms:
between a rock and a hard place
Confronted with equally unpleasant alternatives and few or no opportunities to evade or circumvent them.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rock

Idiom: between the devil and the deep blue sea
In a situation where the alternatives are equally undesirable.
Thesaurus: in trouble, desperate, in difficulty, between a rock and a hard place.
http://www.allwords.com/word-between the devil and the deep ...

-- \"between a rock and a hard place (in a difficult situation where the person cannot escape pain or failure)
http://www.arlington.k12.va.us/schools/barrett/webquest/idio...

If you find yourself caught between a rock and a hard place, it means that you are in a very awkward position and have to make a difficult choice. For example, If I told the truth, I would lose my friend. I was caught between a rock and a hard place.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/edu/edu_back/010716/vocab.sh...

airmailrpl
Brazil
Local time: 04:10
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 32
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Thank you for your time.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Gillian Scheibelein
19 mins
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agree  Dr Sue Levy (X): once upon a time, we used to say "in a terrible dilemma" :-D
53 mins
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agree  Richard Benham: I was going to put in my own answer, but I think your notes cover it. I think the expression combines the concepts of a choice between unpleasant alternatives and of being under pressure: that's why It'susually "stuck" or "caught between...".
1 hr
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agree  Tony M
1 hr
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agree  vixen
2 hrs
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agree  Annika Neudecker: Definitely!
3 hrs
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agree  Balaban Cerit
4 hrs
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agree  NancyLynn
5 hrs
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agree  Asghar Bhatti
11 hrs
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agree  Lisa Russell
14 hrs
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agree  Egmont
1 day 4 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
under conflicting pressures


Explanation:
I think that a couple of the answers submitted so far are quite good, but don't capture the essence of the concept. So I have changed my mind and decided to submit my own answers.

The difference between being (caught) "between a rock and a hard place" and say being in a dilemma is that the former has the overtones that there are conflicting pressures acting on you. If you are in a dilemma, there may be nothing and no-one actively exerting pressure on you, apart from the mere knowledge that, for example, if you choose X you will miss out on Y and vice versa.

Presumably this guy feels under financial pressure to save money, and perhaps moral pressure not to marry the girl and condemn her to poverty, but is under pressure in the opposite direction from his, hmmm, basic instincts in respect of the girl....

The text, BTW, seems to have been contrived in order to string together as many clichés into as few words as possible. It is not at all credible as English.

Richard Benham
France
Local time: 09:10
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  vixen
32 mins
  -> Thanks.

agree  Balaban Cerit
2 hrs
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agree  NancyLynn: esp with your last statement
3 hrs
  -> Thanks. (Yohanes said it was from a test or homework--I think they're testing his ability to translate clichés!)
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
an impossible situation


Explanation:
an impossible situation: either choice, either choice, if it was a choice, would mean giving up something, or suffering for the negative consequences of the choice.

Charlesp
Sweden
Local time: 09:10
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

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agree  humbird
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