May 27, 2001 11:14
23 yrs ago
Catalan term
Jon Zuber (X)
Jon Zuber (X)
Nothing lost.
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Lamt
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Catalan to English
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Could this be a mistake, just a cut-off repetition of the last item?
"Clearly war was the axis of the formation and maintenance of authority. This ... is perfectly visible in the conflicts and tribal alliances among Gudalah, Massufah, Lamtunah, and Lamt that ended up producing population loss to outside the desert, the ... khurug from the desert, first to Ghana and Sijilmassa, and later to al-Andalus."
"Clearly war was the axis of the formation and maintenance of authority. This ... is perfectly visible in the conflicts and tribal alliances among Gudalah, Massufah, Lamtunah, and Lamt that ended up producing population loss to outside the desert, the ... khurug from the desert, first to Ghana and Sijilmassa, and later to al-Andalus."
Proposed translations
(English)
| 0 | arabic, ignorance of |
Berni Armstrong
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| 0 | kairouan is in tunisia |
Albert Golub
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| 0 | system, perversity of |
Jon Zuber (X)
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| 0 | Berber tribes |
Paul Roige (X)
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| 0 | Lamt = Lamta |
Paul Roige (X)
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Proposed translations
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Berni Armstrong
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
Never Missed a Deadline in 32 Years
Native in: English 
Works in: English, Spanish to English, Catalan to English
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arabic, ignorance of
Hi Jon,
you really got your work cut out for you on these terms.
I have no helpful answers... but I have a suggestion. Why don\'t you try our Arabic to English colleagues and ask if any of them are familiar with the trade routes and the tribes mentioned.
Kairouhn... could be Cairo City or something... maybe...
My Arabic is reduced to \"No thank you!\" and \"Go Away!\" - So I cannot tell whether Lamt is one tribe and Lamtunah is a branch of same... or whether it is, as you suggest, a typo. I cannot count the times I\'ve been off on \"wild geese hunts\" because of typographical errors.
Good luck with it all.
Berni
you really got your work cut out for you on these terms.
I have no helpful answers... but I have a suggestion. Why don\'t you try our Arabic to English colleagues and ask if any of them are familiar with the trade routes and the tribes mentioned.
Kairouhn... could be Cairo City or something... maybe...
My Arabic is reduced to \"No thank you!\" and \"Go Away!\" - So I cannot tell whether Lamt is one tribe and Lamtunah is a branch of same... or whether it is, as you suggest, a typo. I cannot count the times I\'ve been off on \"wild geese hunts\" because of typographical errors.
Good luck with it all.
Berni
1 hr
kairouan is in tunisia
good luck
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Jon Zuber (X)
Jon Zuber (X)
Nothing lost.
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
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Related KudoZ points
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110
system, perversity of
I tried posting these things as Arabic-English, Berni (and anyone else who's wondering). They all came out Catalan-English. I don't know if that's a bug or if they've reprogrammed KudoZ to allow members to ask questions only in the pairs and directions for which they're registered.
1 day 1 hr
Berber tribes
Hello. This is from link 1: "Almoravids
Arabic AL-MURABITUN (Those Dwelling in Frontier Fortresses, or Warrior-Monks), confederation of Berber tribes--Lamtunah, Gudalah, Massufah--of the Sanhajah clan, whose religious zeal and military enterprise built an empire in northwestern Africa and Muslim Spain in the 11th and 12th centuries. These Saharan Berbers were inspired to improve their knowledge of Islamic doctrine by their leader Yahya ibn Ibrahim and the Moroccan theologian 'Abd Allah ibn Yasin. Under Abu Bakr al-Lamtuni and later Yusuf ibn Tashufin, the Almoravids merged their religious reform fervour with the conquest of Morocco and western Algeria as far as Algiers between 1054 and 1092. They established their capital at Marrakech in 1062. Yusuf assumed the title of amir al-muslimin ("commander of the Muslims") but still paid homage to the 'Abbasid caliph (amir al-mu`minin, "commander of the faithful") in Baghdad."
I found this about Lamt in this link: http://www.frebend.com/wwwboard/messages/1987.shtml
"1. LES BERBèRES BRANèS
...
1.8 Lamt dont la descendance est Lamta et sont des frères de Sanhaja et Hawwara.
: 1.9 Haskor dont la descendance est Haskora...
Les branches de ces tribus avaient joué des rôles historiques importants et marqué le passé de l'Afrique et de la Méditerranée en général." Clearly, Lamt is cited as a tribe and they do have friends...Hope it helps, au revoir :-)
Arabic AL-MURABITUN (Those Dwelling in Frontier Fortresses, or Warrior-Monks), confederation of Berber tribes--Lamtunah, Gudalah, Massufah--of the Sanhajah clan, whose religious zeal and military enterprise built an empire in northwestern Africa and Muslim Spain in the 11th and 12th centuries. These Saharan Berbers were inspired to improve their knowledge of Islamic doctrine by their leader Yahya ibn Ibrahim and the Moroccan theologian 'Abd Allah ibn Yasin. Under Abu Bakr al-Lamtuni and later Yusuf ibn Tashufin, the Almoravids merged their religious reform fervour with the conquest of Morocco and western Algeria as far as Algiers between 1054 and 1092. They established their capital at Marrakech in 1062. Yusuf assumed the title of amir al-muslimin ("commander of the Muslims") but still paid homage to the 'Abbasid caliph (amir al-mu`minin, "commander of the faithful") in Baghdad."
I found this about Lamt in this link: http://www.frebend.com/wwwboard/messages/1987.shtml
"1. LES BERBèRES BRANèS
...
1.8 Lamt dont la descendance est Lamta et sont des frères de Sanhaja et Hawwara.
: 1.9 Haskor dont la descendance est Haskora...
Les branches de ces tribus avaient joué des rôles historiques importants et marqué le passé de l'Afrique et de la Méditerranée en général." Clearly, Lamt is cited as a tribe and they do have friends...Hope it helps, au revoir :-)
1 day 1 hr
Lamt = Lamta
More on the Lamt matter: for what I gathered from the info in my former answer, the Lamt tribe becomes the Lamta. Further search: Link 1 goes: "CHAPTER 9 WEST AFRICAN KINGDOMS 11th to 13th Centuries
...The town of Âzukkî is in the country of the Masûfa (sic?)and the Lamta. This is the first halting place in the desert. From there to Sijilmâsa is 13 stages and to Nûl 7 stages. Âzukkî is not a large town, but has a sedentary population.. Whoever wants to go to the countries of Silâ, Takrûr and Ghâna in the land of the Sûdân cannot avoid this town." The Lamta dwell somewhere in the Sahara, in the trade route to black West Africa. Allah Akbar :-)
...The town of Âzukkî is in the country of the Masûfa (sic?)and the Lamta. This is the first halting place in the desert. From there to Sijilmâsa is 13 stages and to Nûl 7 stages. Âzukkî is not a large town, but has a sedentary population.. Whoever wants to go to the countries of Silâ, Takrûr and Ghâna in the land of the Sûdân cannot avoid this town." The Lamta dwell somewhere in the Sahara, in the trade route to black West Africa. Allah Akbar :-)
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