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English translation: sea-trading posts or sea-trading consulates

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02:00 Nov 4, 2000
Catalan to English translations [PRO]
Catalan term or phrase: consolats de mar
This guy (an Architect) wrote a book called:
"Els consolats de mar de la ciutat de Barcelona
"

Can he really be referring to consulates? Or is this some use of the term with which I am not familiar?
Berni Armstrong
Local time: 08:52
English translation:sea-trading posts or sea-trading consulates
Explanation:
Yeap, consolat means consulate. There is at least one place in Barcelona called like that: Consolat del mar, 2-4. Casa Llotja 2n pis. 08003 Barcelona. Tel. 933192432 Fax 933190216 (link below). In second link you'll see this paragraph: under James I began a system of sending commercial representatives (consules) to foreign ports to watch over Catalan interests, and consulats de mar were established for the same purpose in the chief ports of Catalonia and Valencia". I gather these are buildings set for the purpose of commercial sea trading...basically an unofficial "sea consulate" or more likely "sea-trading post". Being the book about architecture I would then describe it as "sea trading posts" or more literally "sea-trading consulate buildings". Hope it helps, good luck :)
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xxxPaul Roige
Spain
Local time: 08:52
Grading comment
Thanks,

This is where I wish I could give the points out more even handedly. Jon and Nexus deserve some too... because i am going to use a bit of all three of you's suggestions :-)

How about a share the points option Henry? I'll ask on the co-ordinator's forum!
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Summary of answers provided
naConsulates of the SeaxxxJon Zuber
na"consolats de mar"Martin Perazzo
nasea-trading posts or sea-trading consulatesxxxPaul Roige
naSee below:Luis Crespo


  

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36 mins
See below:


Explanation:
consolat de mar: hist Jurisdicció especial que entenia en matèria mercantil i en afers maritims.

I would not translate "consolat del mar", since it is a historical series of buildings/legal authorities typical of Barcelona that soes not work anymore. Besides, it appears as a the tittle of a book. If you had to give an explanation about the term, you could use "admiralty court", a sort of tribunal for maritime affairs. Anyway, as I told you before, I would not translate this term.

Good luck!



Luis Crespo
Local time: 08:52
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in pair: 10
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45 mins
sea-trading posts or sea-trading consulates


Explanation:
Yeap, consolat means consulate. There is at least one place in Barcelona called like that: Consolat del mar, 2-4. Casa Llotja 2n pis. 08003 Barcelona. Tel. 933192432 Fax 933190216 (link below). In second link you'll see this paragraph: under James I began a system of sending commercial representatives (consules) to foreign ports to watch over Catalan interests, and consulats de mar were established for the same purpose in the chief ports of Catalonia and Valencia". I gather these are buildings set for the purpose of commercial sea trading...basically an unofficial "sea consulate" or more likely "sea-trading post". Being the book about architecture I would then describe it as "sea trading posts" or more literally "sea-trading consulate buildings". Hope it helps, good luck :)


    Reference: http://www.udg.edu/recerca/oitt/ajuts/bitt/1999/bitt56.
    libro.uca.edu/chaytor/hac8.htm
xxxPaul Roige
Spain
Local time: 08:52
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in CatalanCatalan
PRO pts in pair: 184
Grading comment
Thanks,

This is where I wish I could give the points out more even handedly. Jon and Nexus deserve some too... because i am going to use a bit of all three of you's suggestions :-)

How about a share the points option Henry? I'll ask on the co-ordinator's forum!
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3 hrs
"consolats de mar"


Explanation:
I would leave it as is, but put it in quotation marks and provide a brief explanation. For a fairly good explanation, see:
http://www.gencat.es/11set/vertebr.htm
http://tinet.fut.es/~jncreus/cap5.html
http://www.todoesp.es/paginas/mll-visi/8-mll.html
http://www.vgesa.com/vgeman03.html


Martin Perazzo
Spain
Local time: 08:52
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11 hrs
Consulates of the Sea


Explanation:
"The transportation of goods and passengers by water is one of the earliest forms of commercial activity on record, and scattered references to maritime regulations are known. The 6th-century Byzantine compilation known as the Digest of Justinian includes references to such regulations, several of which indicate that the island of Rhodes had anciently had an important and influential maritime code. Rome appears to have borrowed heavily from the Rhodian maritime laws, and from Rome's contributions there gradually evolved a uniform body of maritime law for the Mediterranean region. Eventually, certain Italian cities formulated their own maritime codes, which interrupted for a time the uniformity of the laws of the area. The next major body of maritime laws was compiled at Barcelona in the 13th century, called the Consolat de Mar ("Consulate of the Sea"), This extensive maritime code was adopted throughout other places in the Mediterranean, restoring a measure of uniformity."

"The title [Llibre del Consolat de Mar] is derived from the commercial judges of the maritime cities on the Mediterranean coast, who were known as consuls."

The building, by extension, is also called a consulate of the sea.


    Britannica CD, standard ed., 1998
xxxJon Zuber
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