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11:14 May 27, 2001
Catalan to English translations [Non-PRO]
Catalan term or phrase: Lamt
Could this be a mistake, just a cut-off repetition of the last item?

"Clearly war was the axis of the formation and maintenance of authority. This ... is perfectly visible in the conflicts and tribal alliances among Gudalah, Massufah, Lamtunah, and Lamt that ended up producing population loss to outside the desert, the ... khurug from the desert, first to Ghana and Sijilmassa, and later to al-Andalus."
xxxJon Zuber
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Summary of answers provided
naLamt = LamtaxxxPaul Roige
naBerber tribesxxxPaul Roige
nasystem, perversity ofxxxJon Zuber
nakairouan is in tunisiaAlbert Golub
naarabic, ignorance of
Berni Armstrong


  

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1 hr
arabic, ignorance of


Explanation:
Hi Jon,

you really got your work cut out for you on these terms.

I have no helpful answers... but I have a suggestion. Why don\'t you try our Arabic to English colleagues and ask if any of them are familiar with the trade routes and the tribes mentioned.

Kairouhn... could be Cairo City or something... maybe...

My Arabic is reduced to \"No thank you!\" and \"Go Away!\" - So I cannot tell whether Lamt is one tribe and Lamtunah is a branch of same... or whether it is, as you suggest, a typo. I cannot count the times I\'ve been off on \"wild geese hunts\" because of typographical errors.

Good luck with it all.

Berni

Berni Armstrong
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1 hr
kairouan is in tunisia


Explanation:
good luck

Albert Golub
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1 hr
system, perversity of


Explanation:
I tried posting these things as Arabic-English, Berni (and anyone else who's wondering). They all came out Catalan-English. I don't know if that's a bug or if they've reprogrammed KudoZ to allow members to ask questions only in the pairs and directions for which they're registered.

xxxJon Zuber
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1 day 1 hr
Berber tribes


Explanation:
Hello. This is from link 1: "Almoravids
Arabic AL-MURABITUN (Those Dwelling in Frontier Fortresses, or Warrior-Monks), confederation of Berber tribes--Lamtunah, Gudalah, Massufah--of the Sanhajah clan, whose religious zeal and military enterprise built an empire in northwestern Africa and Muslim Spain in the 11th and 12th centuries. These Saharan Berbers were inspired to improve their knowledge of Islamic doctrine by their leader Yahya ibn Ibrahim and the Moroccan theologian 'Abd Allah ibn Yasin. Under Abu Bakr al-Lamtuni and later Yusuf ibn Tashufin, the Almoravids merged their religious reform fervour with the conquest of Morocco and western Algeria as far as Algiers between 1054 and 1092. They established their capital at Marrakech in 1062. Yusuf assumed the title of amir al-muslimin ("commander of the Muslims") but still paid homage to the 'Abbasid caliph (amir al-mu`minin, "commander of the faithful") in Baghdad."
I found this about Lamt in this link: http://www.frebend.com/wwwboard/messages/1987.shtml
"1. LES BERBèRES BRANèS
...
1.8 Lamt dont la descendance est Lamta et sont des frères de Sanhaja et Hawwara.
: 1.9 Haskor dont la descendance est Haskora...
Les branches de ces tribus avaient joué des rôles historiques importants et marqué le passé de l'Afrique et de la Méditerranée en général." Clearly, Lamt is cited as a tribe and they do have friends...Hope it helps, au revoir :-)


    Reference: http://lilt.ilstu.edu/bekurtz/almoravi.htm
    Reference: http://search.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=5949
xxxPaul Roige
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1 day 1 hr
Lamt = Lamta


Explanation:
More on the Lamt matter: for what I gathered from the info in my former answer, the Lamt tribe becomes the Lamta. Further search: Link 1 goes: "CHAPTER   9 WEST AFRICAN KINGDOMS 11th to 13th Centuries
...The town of Âzukkî is in the country of the Masûfa (sic?)and the Lamta.  This is the first halting place in the desert.  From there to Sijilmâsa is 13 stages and to Nûl 7 stages.  Âzukkî is not a large town, but has a sedentary population..  Whoever wants to go to the countries of Silâ, Takrûr and Ghâna in the land of the Sûdân cannot avoid this town." The Lamta dwell somewhere in the Sahara, in the trade route to black West Africa. Allah Akbar :-)



    Reference: http://www.op.org/nigeriaop/kenny/n2wafr/a09.htm
xxxPaul Roige
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Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in CatalanCatalan
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