vol en zat

08:41 Feb 5, 2012 

I can't really see how bricklaying experience can help with a technical term, but maybe that's just me. Joints between bricks would need to be "totally filled" (vol en zat) to cater for a maximum load. A floor coating would be "saturated" (vol en zat) to cater for a maximum load. The difference being you "fill" a void and you "saturate" a substance. It's an English thing.

22:59 Feb 4, 2012 

All that remains for me to say is try to understand what 'vol en zat' means in the bricklaying context (for additional context try Google 'vol en zat').

If I do so, then I arrive at this interpretation of mine, I looked at it carefully and I have quite some bricklaying experience myself for that matter.

Perhaps it is too verbose but this seems to me a good rendering of what it means and this is what I am trying to do here: trying to explain what it means

"evenly spread a generous amount"

compare

'vol (evenly) en zat (generous) instrooien'

the problem is we don't need to add this word 'amount' in Dutch :-)

22:32 Feb 4, 2012 

Given the recommended coverage (verbruik minimaal 7,0 kg/m²) these suggestions are getting far too verbose and over-analysed - often the case in these discussions IMHO. This is also typical of the Dutch language - "why use two words when you can use half a dozen?"

21:57 Feb 4, 2012 

Thank you, Dave.
Then I would go for 'evenly spread a generous/amply sufficient amount of'

I would like to add that this is certainly not a Flemish expression but is a term used in bricklaying that has been applied in a somewhat different context:

De stenen worden in een bepaald verband aangebracht. De techniek van het metselen werd al in het Romeinse Rijk toegepast. De ogenschijnlijk simpele techniek van het metselen is meer dan het stapelen van stenen. De hoofdzaak is dat de stenen zodanig in de metselspecie worden gewreven dat alle ruimten tussen de stenen volledig volraken, met andere woorden dat er zogenoemd *vol en zat* wordt gewerkt. Dit vraagt de nodige oefening.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metselen

I disagree with 'lots', this would in this specific case be a too literal interpretation of 'zat'. 'Zat' has been used in the sense of just one or two fractions more than sufficient, at least in this sense it is used in the bricklaying context

21:16 Feb 4, 2012 

"Apply" would be OK, as would "spread". "Add" would not be suitable in the context of floor applications. @Terry - My point is there are certain words that are "taboo" in technical instructions and manuals - "lots" is certainly one of them.

19:40 Feb 4, 2012 

I would add 'evenly'

evenly scatter a generous amount

and if 'scatter' is to 'untidy', then use 'add' or 'apply"

evenly apply a generous amount

19:22 Feb 4, 2012 

That word vul in combination with zat, I do not see it in your idea, I see it as fill with plenty of, as you yourself said, generous is also not specific, therefore I cannot see how your generous is any different/better than plenty or lots. As the source text is non-specific then it shouldn't be turned into a copywriting job to make it right, or should it?

19:01 Feb 4, 2012 

generous = full or plentiful

18:56 Feb 4, 2012 

you need to add AMPLY SUFFICIENT quartz sand to the ENTIRE liquid layer

this is what is meant imo

(The phrase 'vol en zat' is used in bricklaying, where it has a specific meaning, and it is this meaning that I have applied to this new context.)