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ieder voor zich als ook gezamenlijk

English translation: separately and jointly

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12:58 Oct 13, 2000
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents
Dutch term or phrase: ieder voor zich als ook gezamenlijk
Context:

I'm currently translating a lease agreement between parties A and B, and would welcome help with the phrase "ieder voor zich als ook gezamenlijk". The context is as follows:

"Objectomschrijving:
hierna -elk voor zich als ook gezamenlijk- te noemen: 'het object';"

"Everyone for himself as well as collectively" sounds very awkward, so your suggestions are more than welcome!

Many thanks,

Pikey
Anne Key
Local time: 11:12
English translation:separately and jointly
Explanation:
In Black's Law Dictionary are entries for "separate" and "joint" with the meanings - "individual or disconnected" and "united, combined". In this context then "separately and jointly":

However, the Electronic Van Dale gives "severally" for "ieder for zich" - so maybe "severally and jointly". The Black also has an entry for "severally" and describes this as "distinctly, seperately, apart from others. When applied to a number of persons the expression 'severally liable' usually impliesthat each one is liable alone."

After all this, I guess my own choice would be "severally and jointly"
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Anja Lodge
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All three answers were very good, but as Anja was the first to respond with a very detailed and helpful answer, I decided to award the points to her. Many thanks for all the suggestions!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

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Summary of answers provided
najointly and severally
Lucy Simpson
najointly and severallyxxxJon Zuber
naseparately and jointlyAnja Lodge


  

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1 hr
separately and jointly


Explanation:
In Black's Law Dictionary are entries for "separate" and "joint" with the meanings - "individual or disconnected" and "united, combined". In this context then "separately and jointly":

However, the Electronic Van Dale gives "severally" for "ieder for zich" - so maybe "severally and jointly". The Black also has an entry for "severally" and describes this as "distinctly, seperately, apart from others. When applied to a number of persons the expression 'severally liable' usually impliesthat each one is liable alone."

After all this, I guess my own choice would be "severally and jointly"



    Black's Law Dictionary - Abridged sixth edition
    Electronic Van Dale Eng - Dut
Anja Lodge
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All three answers were very good, but as Anja was the first to respond with a very detailed and helpful answer, I decided to award the points to her. Many thanks for all the suggestions!
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1 hr
jointly and severally


Explanation:
is the conventional order of the phrase.

xxxJon Zuber
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15 hrs
jointly and severally


Explanation:
Just to confirm the answer given above. In tenancy agreements, the tenants are quoted as being 'jointly and severally liable'. I must admit I have seen it more often in the Dutch as 'hoofdelijk [en gezamenlijk] aansprakelijk'. My Collins English gives severally as meaning 'separately, individually'.
So there you go!

Lucy Simpson
Local time: 11:12
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 117
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