shall procure a matter relating to

French translation: est obligé d'assurer un acte relativement à

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English term or phrase:	shall procure a matter relating to
French translation:	est obligé d'assurer un acte relativement à
Entered by:	Adrian MM.

17:49 Jun 5, 2020

English to French translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)

English term or phrase: shall procure a matter relating to

If a provision provides that a Party shall procure a matter relating to the Supervisory Board or any Director in its function as member of the Supervisory Board, such term "procure" shall be construed as an obligation.

Sylvie André KudoZ activity Questions: 3962 (11 open) (8 without valid answers) (142 closed without grading) Answers: 51 France
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est obligé de procurer (d'assurer) un acte relativement à... vaudra obligation de résultat

Explanation:
procurará in ESP - mistranslated 30 years ago into English as the sellers of land 'shall use best endeavo(u)rs' to obtain planning permission for the land in Spain pre-sale. Tne prof. negiilgence had been litigated successfully against the translator. No planning permission had been obtained and the 'procurar' has been an 'absolute obligation' - une obligation de résultat.

In ENG & US law, this would be a 'covenant of further assurance', such as to produce relevant land records, obtain planning permission and/or discharge existing land charges, like mortgages.

There's something to be said for translating literally when 'on doubt'.

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There seems to be some confusion over the difference between une obligation de résultat, that might well be read into the duty here, namely an *absolute* obligation to produce a specific result and an obligation de moyens (not moyen) that is a *best-endeavo(u)rs* so minimalist and no-guarantee obligation - wherein lies the crux of the 'procurar' professional translational negligence case of yesteryear.

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Adrian MM.
United Kingdom

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4 +1

intervenir dans une affaire relatif à

ABDESSAMAD BINAOUI

4 +1

procède à une affaire

Marcombes (X)

3 -1

est obligé de procurer (d'assurer) un acte relativement à... vaudra obligation de résultat

Adrian MM.

Discussion entries: 4

Germaine

Canada

Sylvie,

17:54 Jun 6, 2020

Effectivement, dans ce cas-ci, to procure = to bring about, contrive (Grand Robert); to cause, bring on, effect (Annandale Concise English), i.e. trouver moyen de, s’arranger pour (ce qui revient à « faire en sorte que »), amener, causer, entraîner, occasionner. Pour ma part, je dirais :
« Lorsqu’une [clause][disposition] prévoit qu’une Partie [arrange] [règle] une affaire se rapportant au [Conseil][Comité] de surveillance ou à un administrateur en qualité de membre du [Conseil][Comité] de surveillance, le terme [« arrange »] [« règle »] est interprété comme une obligation. »

Je pense que le verbe « arranger » est celui qui convient le mieux ici compte tenu de votre appréhension du contexte :
Arranger : [Le compl. désigne un inanimé abstr.] Organiser, aménager, régler. [En parlant d'affaires juridiques, de litiges, de procès, etc.] Accommoder, conclure à l'amiable.
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/arranger

Sylvie André

France

ASKER

09:40 Jun 6, 2020

@ Daryo.. le reste du document n'aide pas ... en fait je pense que cela se rapporte à l'expression française "faire en sorte que"... mais j'ai du mal à tourner la phrase ... il s'agit d'un pacte d'actionnaires .. par exemple "une partie "fait en sorte que" le conseil remette les documents etc." serait donc une obligation à savoir que la partie a l'obligation de ... ce doc ne vient pas de l'espagnol..

Adrian MM.

United Kingdom

Spanglish @ Daryo

09:36 Jun 6, 2020

You have obviously missed the Spanish connection. This could well be an 'English' relay or bridging translation out of Spanish into English - and one borne out of past litigation over the translation of 'procurar' into ENG.

Daryo

United Kingdom

@ Sylvie André

20:36 Jun 5, 2020

I have the nagging feeling that what has to be "procured" is some kind of information (related to "the matter" in question)

I'm pretty sure that that the 2 answers given so far are gone off-tangent.

Can you give some more context?

What is the whole text about? Is it a Law? Or a company statute?

I think that "a matter relating to the Supervisory Board or any Director in its function as member of the Supervisory Board" is some kind of information about "Supervisory Board or any Director in its function as member of the Supervisory Board" (about their activities)

Who would be the "party" asked to "procure the matter" and TO WHO???

My guess is that it's about some investigation or public enquiry about the activity (or inactivity) of "the Supervisory Board or any Director in its function as member of the Supervisory Board" and that the whole clause is just a reminder that when asked by whoever is doing the investigation/enquiry "to procure the requested information about ..." providing the requested information is not optional - it's an obligation.

But guessing is no good - any more context to confirm my guess or to point in the right direction?

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8 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

intervenir dans une affaire relatif à

Explanation:
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Procure

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Affaire relative*, je m'excuse.

ou bien dans des affaires relatives à

ABDESSAMAD BINAOUI
Morocco
Local time: 18:48
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Arabic

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

procède à une affaire

Explanation:
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Marcombes (X)
France
Local time: 19:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 102

16 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

shall procure a matter relating to... shall be construed as an obligation.

est obligé de procurer (d'assurer) un acte relativement à... vaudra obligation de résultat

Définition d'obligation de résultat L'obligation de résultat est une obligation en vertu de laquelle un débiteur est contraint d'atteindre un résultat précis et déterminé en avance.

Reference: http://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/23884-obligati...

Adrian MM.
United Kingdom
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 23

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