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by following their instigators' wishes

German translation: siehe unten

13:20 Aug 25, 2007
English to German translations [PRO]
Science - History
English term or phrase: by following their instigators' wishes
Geschichtsbuch/Biografie; Kontext: "The political scene in Graubünden was turbulent and violent when Jenatsch began working in Scharans, as political divisions and religious zeal drove ambitious men to extreme solutions. One growingly important tactic in the intensifying struggles was the calling of mass political assemblies, a political event unique to Graubünden and possible only because of its federal structure and the autonomy of the individual communes that made up the Three Leagues. Graubünden's armed adult males, who made up the citizenry, felt that the future of the Leagues rightly lay in their own hands. It was therefore easy to appeal to them to assemble in order to take control of a political process that was obviously corrupt and dysfunctional. Usually, the leaders of one faction would appeal to communes where their own personal or financial influence guaranteed a sympathetic hearing; once these communes had voted to raise their banners—something which gave these impromptu assemblies their Swiss German name, Fähnlilupf—other communes across the Leagues would rush to join the action, lest they be left out of any decisions.
Such gatherings took place in 1565, 1572, 1585, and 1607. Often consisting of several thousand armed men gathered together in some central location in Graubünden, these assemblies resisted all outside control. They sometimes began by following their instigators' wishes and establishing a penal court (Strafgericht) to 'punish' the guilty—that is, they destroyed factional opponents by citing them before a popular court and imposing enormous fines, torture, or even execution. The courts' judges typically did their work surrounded by dozens or hundreds of 'guardians,' soldiers appointed by the communes to oversee who was accused and who was spared. More often, however, these wild assemblies surged out of control, turning the Strafgericht against the leaders of all factions. For a powerful politician in Graubünden, calling for a Fähnlilupf therefore meant playing with fire. If he could keep the movement under his guidance, it became a powerful weapon against his rivals, whereas an assembly that slipped out of control inevitably endangered everyone in the political class." Habe grosse Schwierigkeiten mit diesem Satz: They sometimes began by following their instigators' wishes and establishing a penal court (Strafgericht) to 'punish' the guilty—that is, they destroyed factional opponents by citing them before a popular court and imposing enormous fines, torture, or even execution" Bin dankbar für jegliche Vorschläge.
Peter Jäger
Local time: 06:40
German translation:siehe unten
Explanation:
Vielleicht so:

Mitunter gingen sie sogar daran die Wünsche ihrer Rädelsführer (Aufhetzer) zu befolgen und Strafgerichte einzusetzen, um die Schuldigen zu "bestrafen" - was heisst (bedeutet), dass aufrührerische Gegner vor ein Volksgericht zitiert wurden wo ihnen enorme Strafen, Torturen oder sogar eine Hinrichtung auferlegt wurden.

Obs:
Jürg Jenatsch -(1596 - 1639) Schweizer Pfarrer der 1637 den Abzug der Franzosen aus Graubünden (Kanton) erzwang.
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CHRISTA MAYER-LOOS
Local time: 00:40
Grading comment
Merci. War sehr hilfreich.
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4 +1siehe unten
CHRISTA MAYER-LOOS
3 +1Mitunter folgten sie den Wünschen ihrer Anführer/Rädelsführer ...
BrigitteHilgner
3folgten den Wünschen der Initiatoren (dieser Versammlungen)
Bernhard Sulzer


  

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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
They sometimes began following their insitgators' wishes
Mitunter folgten sie den Wünschen ihrer Anführer/Rädelsführer ...


Explanation:
Ich finde es mühsam, so viel Text lesen zu müssen, bei dem es um lauter Details geht. Etwas weniger Text aber dafür den großen Kontext (wer ist Jenatsch?) hätte ich hilfreicher gefunden.

BrigitteHilgner
Austria
Local time: 06:40
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ingeborg Gowans (X): ganz genau: für diesen Ausdruck braucht man nicht das 'ganze Buch' Instigator ist ein allgemein verstänfl;icher Begriff .Kenne Jenatsch auch nicht
6 mins
  -> Danke schön, Ingeborg. "Jenatsch, Georg, 1596-1639, Graubündener Politiker; erkämpfte die Freiheit Graubündens gg. Habsburg-Spanien u. Frankreich. Ermordet." Aus Meyers Großes Handlexikon. Mitunter tue ich ja etwas für die Bildung. Schönen Sonntag! :-)
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56 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
by following their insitgators' wishes
siehe unten


Explanation:
Vielleicht so:

Mitunter gingen sie sogar daran die Wünsche ihrer Rädelsführer (Aufhetzer) zu befolgen und Strafgerichte einzusetzen, um die Schuldigen zu "bestrafen" - was heisst (bedeutet), dass aufrührerische Gegner vor ein Volksgericht zitiert wurden wo ihnen enorme Strafen, Torturen oder sogar eine Hinrichtung auferlegt wurden.

Obs:
Jürg Jenatsch -(1596 - 1639) Schweizer Pfarrer der 1637 den Abzug der Franzosen aus Graubünden (Kanton) erzwang.

CHRISTA MAYER-LOOS
Local time: 00:40
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Merci. War sehr hilfreich.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sandra Becker: mit Kommas: Klasse. bloß 'wo sie ... unterzogen wurden'. Hinrichtungen und 'auferlegt' passt irgendwie nicht...
1 hr
  -> Stimmt Sandra! ..wo ihnen enorme Strafen und Torturen auferlegt wurden und sie sogar zu Hinrichtungen veruteilt wurden.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
folgten den Wünschen der Initiatoren (dieser Versammlungen)


Explanation:
reading it as the instigators being actually those leaders/politicians and their faction who tried to use these movements to their advantage and started such a "Fähnlihupf." The other factions then joined and mostly followed the wishes of that faction which first started the movement.

the(ir) assemblies' instigators = die Initiatoren solcher Versammlungen (deren Initiatoren)

instead of "Initiatoren" maybe also:
...folgten denen, welche solche Versammlungen einberiefen

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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-08-25 17:35:48 GMT)
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...folgten 'zunächst'...

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Note added at 5 hrs (2007-08-25 19:00:44 GMT)
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corr.: Fähnli*l*upf

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Note added at 2 days8 hrs (2007-08-27 21:41:36 GMT) Post-grading
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Alles klar!

Bernhard Sulzer
United States
Local time: 00:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: Danke. Rädelsführer gefällt mir im Zusammenhang jedoch noch besser. Nichts für ungut.

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