without evidence

English translation: comment

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English term or phrase:	without evidence
Selected answer:	comment
Entered by:	mockingbird (X)

11:12 Apr 20, 2005

English language (monolingual) [PRO]
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English term or phrase: without evidence

This is for a title of an article, does the "without evidence" work?

SEMEN PADANG EXAMINES MATERIAL PROCUREMENT WITHOUT EVIDENCE

mockingbird (X)

not good English

Explanation:
I'm not so sure what is being said here. More context would be nice. But as it stands, SEMEN PADANG EXAMINES MATERIAL PROCUREMENT WITHOUT EVIDENCE tells me nothing. What is "material procurement"? And what does "without evidence" refer to? Perhaps the title should be "Semen Padang believes material procurement to be unfounded". But it's really hard to tell without knowing what the article is about.

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Note added at 1 day 1 hr 28 mins (2005-04-21 12:41:01 GMT)
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After the note from the asker, I would write the title as such: SEMEN PADANG TO EXAMINE unconfirmed PROCUREMENT OF MATERIALS.

Selected response from:

lucasm (X)
Local time: 20:15

Grading comment

thanks
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED

3 +5

ambiguous

Lucy Phillips

2 +5

not good English

lucasm (X)

it works

Henrique Serra

4 +1

absent any evidence

Ali Beikian

unsubstantiated procurement material

petya yakova

examines undocumented material procurement

Refugio

investigates/looks into the procurement of materials which have no proof of delivery/shipment justif

RHELLER

Discussion entries: 3

Answers

8 mins confidence:

it works

Explanation:
However, you could try other options:

lacking evidence
without proof, etc.

Henrique Serra
United States
Local time: 12:15
Native speaker of:

Portuguese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Vicky Papaprodromou

25 mins

-> thanks, Vicky

disagree

lucasm (X): It's not good English, and I think that is what the asker wants to know. To a native speaker, any of these suggestions would lead to confusion.

36 mins

-> Sorry, Lucas, the question here is whether "without evidence" would be a suitable title for an article, and as a matter of fact, it is, no matter how convoluted might be the context provided.

neutral

Robert Donahue (X): I'm with Lucas here on this. Without more context there is no way to determine whether this headline is understandable or not. Without evidence of what? Material procurement? It simply doesn't make sense to a native speaker of English (at least to me)

59 mins

agree

petya yakova: agree to lucas and robert

4 hrs

disagree

Refugio: it doesn't work

2 days 17 hrs

58 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

ambiguous

Explanation:
it's ambiguous what 'without evidence' refers to - 'Semen Padang examines' or 'material procurement'. But sometimes newspaper articles play with ambiguity to draw the reader in, so that might not necessarily be a problem.

I can't comment on the rest of the sentence - it's meaningless to me without context but I imagine this is in a specialized field and will make sense to those who know what 'material procurement' is!

Lucy Phillips
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:15
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

2 hrs confidence:

unsubstantiated procurement material

Explanation:
SEMEN PADANG EXAMINES UNSUBSTANTIATED PROCUREMENT MATERIAL

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Note added at 3 hrs 8 mins (2005-04-20 14:20:59 GMT)
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I think, by reading it over again, that it could also be rephrased:Semen Padang examination of the procurement materials is based on no evidence

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Note added at 4 hrs 45 mins (2005-04-20 15:58:02 GMT)
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a question to all: can we consider in this case that the selected by Semen Padang materials were not preliminary checked/not been prooved?

petya yakova
Bulgaria
Local time: 21:15
Native speaker of:

Bulgarian

16 hrs confidence:

investigates/looks into the procurement of materials which have no proof of delivery/shipment justif

Explanation:
my suggestion would be to use a different verb: SP investigates/looks into procurement of materials which are unsupported by shipment justification

RHELLER
United States
Local time: 12:15
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 92

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

absent any evidence

Explanation:
I would prefer "absent any evidence"
examples:

"It appears to me that the JUDGE is taking it upon himself to make a “legal determination”, absent any evidence, as to whether Dick or his business had a legal duty to collect taxes..."

When FBI and DOJ agents falsely alleged the 19 Islamic hijackers conspiracy theory (absent any evidence) and; when other officers in government perpetrated an unlawful war on the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, based on this and other gross misrepresentations, is this not a criminal conspiracy of the highest magnitude?

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Note added at 20 hrs 34 mins (2005-04-21 07:47:29 GMT)
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SEMEN PADANG TO EXAMINE MATERIAL PROCUREMENT NOT SUPPORTED WITH
EVIDENCE

Reference: http://www.commonlawvenue.com/Misc/084-AnAnswer.htm
Reference: http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20041010.htm

Ali Beikian
Iran
Local time: 21:45
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Persian (Farsi)

42 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

not good English

lucasm (X)
Local time: 20:15
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

thanks

2 days 17 hrs confidence:

examines undocumented material procurement

Explanation:
+

Refugio
Local time: 11:15
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 40

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