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English translation: national church - Church of England in this case

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Selected answer:	national church - Church of England in this case
Entered by:	Liam Hamilton

11:55 Jul 12, 2008

English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / religion

English term or phrase: sentence understanding

The sentence concerning about religious history like this:" One recalls Daniel Defoe's comment on religious strife in England: that adherents of the national church would swear to their detestation of Papists and Popery not knownig whether the Pope was a man or a horse."

What the sentence means? What the terms that "national church", "Papists","Popery" mean?

Thank you!

macky KudoZ activity Questions: 352 (2 open) (6 without valid answers) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 4
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national church - Church of England in this case

Explanation:
in this case the national church is the Church of England (protestant)
"Papists" means followers of the Roman catholic church
"Popery" means the beliefs of teh Roman Catholic church.
At that time, as today, "Papists" and "Popery" were terms of insult aimed at the Catholic Church by Protestant Churches.

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The full sentence refers to ingrained prejudice - that people will swear they detest the Pope, even when they have no idea what the Pope is.

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Liam Hamilton
Bulgaria
Local time: 00:18

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I thank you for your help very much!
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SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED

5 +6

national church - Church of England in this case

Liam Hamilton

4 +2

fanaticism & blind hatred of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church

d_vachliot (X)

4 +2

I protest! [NFG]

Richard Benham

4 +1

answer to your questions

savaria (X)

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29 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

answer to your questions

Explanation:
First of all,you should not have put all this up a as one KudoZ question,but as two,three or even four.
Secondly,the awareness of these terms does not belong to the field of KudoZ at all.These terms should be looked up at different websites and in lexicons.

Answering to your questions,you can find detailed information about the Papist here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papist

About Popery Acts in general,consult with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popery_Act

About the Popery Act of 1698,in particular,please consult with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popery_Act_1698

I hope I could help,still let me repeat that this type of question is definitely not the one that is to be asked in the KudoZ section of this international multilingual community website.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popery_Act_1698
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popery_Act

savaria (X)
Hungary
Local time: 23:18
Native speaker of:

Hungarian

50 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +6

national church - Church of England in this case

"To **** with the Pope and Popery" (common insult in Northeren Ireland)

Liam Hamilton
Bulgaria
Local time: 00:18
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

I thank you for your help very much!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Elena Aleksandrova

1 hr

agree

Richard Benham: [...] The Chuch of England (as it was then) is not really [...]//The Anglican creed refers to the "Holy Catholick [sic] Church"--the Anglican Church regards itself as Catholic, even if the RC Church doesn't.//And check definition 1 in your reference!

1 hr

-> um - that is what Protestannt churches do - Protest the auhority of the Pope! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/protestant but thanks!

agree

NancyLynn: they spout their hatred of the Pope and everything related to him, without even knowing what they hate - the depth of ignorance

2 hrs

agree

Demi Ebrite: Liam's explanation of the meaning of the sentence (as asked) is correct ~

3 hrs

agree

Patricia Townshend (X): See my note to Richard too!

3 hrs

agree

savaria (X)

19 hrs

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

fanaticism & blind hatred of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church

Explanation:
"One recalls Daniel Defoe's comment on religious strife in England: that adherents of the national church would swear to their detestation of Papists and Popery not knownig whether the Pope was a man or a horse."

In other words, the church of England of that time and its adherents wanted to distance themselves from the Catholic church so much that they swore to hate the Roman Catholic Church and anything related to it. In other words, blind hatred & fanaticism against the Pope and Popery.

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Popery: pop·er·y (pp-r)
n. Offensive
The doctrines, practices, and rituals of the Roman Catholic Church.

(The Freen Online Dictionary)

It's used in a negative and pejorative sense.

d_vachliot (X)
Local time: 00:18
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Greek
PRO pts in category: 4

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

I protest! [NFG]

Explanation:
I just wanted to put this point in. It is inaccurate to describe the Anglican Church as "protestant". A good reference is provided by Liam: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/protestant>, where the first definition of "protestant" is:
1. any Western Christian who is not an adherent of a Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Church.

Note the specific exclusion of the Anglican Church from this definition of "protestant". In fact, the Anglican Church defines itself as part of the "Catholic Church" (but not of the Roman Catholic Church, of course). Note that "catholic" is more or less synonymous with "universal". (Greek KATA "across" (among other things) and ‘OΛOΣ "whole", "all"—cf "catholic tastes".)

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Sorry the italics didn't work out. Funny how some HTML works and some diesn't. I did the Greek letters in HTML....

Richard Benham
France
Local time: 23:18
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Patricia Townshend (X): I just must add that I know some Anglicans who would definitely regard themselves as Protestant and be furious if termed Catholic, whatever the legal position! I agree with you that this is the offical - just thought I'd add my ha'penny worth!

1 hr

-> Thanks. I was referring to the official position of the Anglican Church, of course. I suspect those Anglicans you mention haven't taken on board the difference the word "Roman" makes. (Pope="Bishop of Rome" in Anglican nomenclature.)

agree

Liam Hamilton: sorry! I hope I didnt offend anyone - I am not an expert on Christian denominations! Just that in teh question originally asked, the reference is to the national church - in this case the Church of England - I

1 hr

-> I wasn't offended. I was trying to correct a common misunderstanding, that's all. Your answer was otherwise correct "national Church" (in England) = "Church of England" = "Anglican Church".

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