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## English translation: N and M represent/ quantify prey and predators respectively

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 18:28 May 17, 2005
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 English term or phrase: are the number(s) of N and M are the number(s) of preys and predators, respectively. I'm not sure which is correct here: "number" or "numberS" if N and M denote how many preys and predators are. Thank you so much, in advance
 Nik-On/OffUkraine Local time: 10:56
 English translation:N and M represent/ quantify prey and predators respectively Explanation:I would rephrase this with either of the options above ... :) I would also go with "prey" (works for both singular and plural) If not, it would be "number" of prey and predators--------------------------------------------------Note added at 13 mins (2005-05-17 18:41:45 GMT)--------------------------------------------------I would use \"numbers\" if you have the exact figures (e.g. 100 and 10 are the numbers FOR prey and predators, respectively)--------------------------------------------------Note added at 13 mins (2005-05-17 18:42:18 GMT)--------------------------------------------------but that isn\'t the case here .....--------------------------------------------------Note added at 14 mins (2005-05-17 18:43:11 GMT)--------------------------------------------------the numbers = figures/ statistics
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David Hollywood
Local time: 05:56
 I would like to say thanks to all of you for very interesting discussion, even though no consensus has been reached.4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

4 +5N and M represent/ quantify prey and predators respectively
 David Hollywood
4 +5numbers
 swisstell
5 +3N is the number of prey and M the number of predators
 Can Altinbay
4 +3numberMPGS
3 +2number, but rephrasing would be better
 Balasubramaniam L.

Discussion entries: 8

3 mins   confidence: peer agreement (net): +5
numbers

Explanation:
A and B = 2 = plural
ARE the numbers i.e. plural again, would confirm this

 swisstellItalyLocal time: 09:56Native speaker of: German

agree
 1 min
-> thanks, Alex

agree  Armorel Young: like you'd say "X and Y are the names of my brother and sister" - not "name"
 6 mins
-> thank you. Excellent analogy!

agree
 13 mins
-> thanks, Attila

agree  RHELLER: exactly - N alone would be number
 25 mins
-> merci, Rita

agree
 27 mins
-> thanks a lot

disagree  Refugio: What this really means is: N and M are the number of prey and the number of predators. Numbers would be incorrect. // See above.
 50 mins
-> prove it!

agree
 3 hrs
-> thanks, Rania

agree
 4 hrs
-> mit Dank, Jörgen!

disagree  David Moore: I agree with Ruth
 13 hrs

9 mins   confidence: peer agreement (net): +5
N and M represent/ quantify prey and predators respectively

Explanation:
I would rephrase this with either of the options above ... :)

I would also go with "prey" (works for both singular and plural)

If not, it would be "number" of prey and predators

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 13 mins (2005-05-17 18:41:45 GMT)
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I would use \"numbers\" if you have the exact figures (e.g. 100 and 10 are the numbers FOR prey and predators, respectively)

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 13 mins (2005-05-17 18:42:18 GMT)
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but that isn\'t the case here .....

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 14 mins (2005-05-17 18:43:11 GMT)
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the numbers = figures/ statistics

 David HollywoodLocal time: 05:56Native speaker of: EnglishPRO pts in category: 4
 I would like to say thanks to all of you for very interesting discussion, even though no consensus has been reached.

agree  Kim Metzger: Preys is technically possible, but prey is much more common. Prey animals, items.
 6 mins

agree
 43 mins

agree
 10 hrs

agree
 1 day 7 hrs

agree
 1 day 20 hrs

2 hrs   confidence: peer agreement (net): +3
N is the number of prey and M the number of predators

Explanation:
When in doubt, recast. No point in batching things up when it leads to a quandry that no one seems to agree on. To put it another way, when in doubt, simplify.

 Can AltinbayLocal time: 03:56Native speaker of: English, Japanese

agree
 1 hr
-> Thank you.

agree  Mikhail Kropotov: "a quandry that no one seems to agree on?" :))) and yes, KISS applies :)
 8 hrs
-> Thank you, Mikhail. :))) indeed, :).

agree  Robert Donahue: Best option given here. :-)
 14 hrs
-> Thank you, Robert.

8 hrs   confidence: peer agreement (net): +2
number, but rephrasing would be better

Explanation:
Here N and M do not stand for number, but N stands for "number of preys" and M stands for "number of predators".

Therefore we cannot make just "number" plural, because number is only part of the phrase that N and M stand for.

"number of preys and predators" is short for "number of preys and number of predators" as Ruth has explained.

The sentence does create confusion and therefore rewording it would be a better option.

My take:
N represents the number of preys and M that of the predators.

 Balasubramaniam L.IndiaLocal time: 14:26Works in fieldNative speaker of: Hindi

agree  Mikhail Kropotov: reword
 2 hrs
-> Thanks

agree  Robert Donahue: True enough.
 8 hrs
-> Thanks.

2 mins   confidence: peer agreement (net): +3
number

Explanation:
:)

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Note added at 14 mins (2005-05-17 18:43:04 GMT)
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N and M are the number of preys and (THAT OF) predators

:)

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Thanks :)

 MPGSLocal time: 09:56Works in fieldNative speaker of: Spanish

agree  Refugio: Yes.. what this really means is: N and M are the number of prey and the number of predators. Numbers would be incorrect.
 50 mins
-> Thank you Ruth :)

agree
 2 hrs
-> Thank you Clauwolf :)

agree
 13 hrs
-> Thank you David :)

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