order on payment

English translation: ...unto XXX or Order, on payment...

00:16 Aug 26, 2008

English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Law/Patents - Transport / Transportation / Shipping / bill of lading

English term or phrase: order on payment

This appears in a bill of lading, in the following sentence:

To be delivered at the port of XXX or so near thereto as the Vessel can safety get, unto XXX Or order on payment of freight at the rate of

I cannot find what "order on payment" means. Could you please tell me what it means (with references, if possible)? Thanks in advance.

Pedro Coral Costa KudoZ activity Questions: 103 (2 open) (4 without valid answers) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 36
Local time: 01:47

Selected answer:...unto XXX or Order, on payment...

Explanation:
I don't think "order on payment" is a term in itself, if the second XXX is not the same as the first XXX (the name of the port), but the name of the intended recipient. The goods are to be delivered to whomsoever the Customer may be, or to an alternative recipient named in the Order, on payment of freight at the rate of...

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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-08-26 09:08:02 GMT)
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So the first XXX is a port name and the second is a company name. That's what I thought in suggesting this answer.

Selected response from:

Jack Doughty
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:47

Grading comment

This makes sense, specially if one reads the reference provided by Arnold 007 above. Thank you all for your help.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED

3 +2

possibly flawed translation - 'into XXX on order of payment'

Demi Ebrite

3 +1

order OF payment

Cagdas Karatas

order on payment

Arnold T.

or order, on payment...

David Moore (X)

...unto XXX or Order, on payment...

Jack Doughty

Discussion entries: 6

Answers

5 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

order OF payment

Explanation:
I strongly feel that it must be an order of payment: a document ordering the payment of money, which is the freight rate in your case.

Cagdas Karatas
Türkiye
Local time: 03:47
Native speaker of: Turkish
PRO pts in category: 4

53 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

possibly flawed translation - 'into XXX on order of payment'

Explanation:
I believe the translation is flawed - I would think it means *into XXX on order of payment* of freight at the rate of. . .

I take *on order of payment* to mean that the freight must be paid in advance. Because this statement is in the bill of lading, I think it is requiring proof of payment (on order of payment), so payment in advance.

I can't provide substantiation of this idea.

Demi Ebrite
United States
Local time: 19:47
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 7

1 hr confidence:

order on payment

Explanation:
The exprtession "order on payment" is used as is :

http://books.google.ca/books?id=A48EAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA634&lpg=PA...

"He came to the following conclusions : — 1st That when goods, by the terms of a bill of lading, are to be delivered to a consignee or his order on payment of freight" ...

You have to read the second part of the text; I can't copy it.

Clearly an "order to pay" !

Arnold T.
Canada
Local time: 20:47
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 4

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you much for your reference, which was vital for my decision. The only reason I did not choose your answer is because I agree more with Jack Daughty's conclusion. Of course the source text was poorly written and I might be wrong. In fact, since the source document was an official document I was forced to reflect the ambiguity of the original in the translation and ended up not following the advice of anyone in particular. Many thanks again - excellent reference.

57 mins confidence:

...unto XXX or Order, on payment...

Jack Doughty
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:47
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 31

Grading comment

This makes sense, specially if one reads the reference provided by Arnold 007 above. Thank you all for your help.

10 hrs confidence:

or order, on payment...

Explanation:
This is my reading - and it is strange English it's true, but if you read it like this:

To be delivered at the port of XXX or so near thereto as the Vessel can safety get, unto XXX Or order (i.e., to whomsoever the person or company "XXX" shall direct or order), on payment of freight at the rate of...

I think you may see what the whole thing means.

The expression "or order" was used on bank cheques in the UK at one time as an addendum to the payee's name, thus:

"Pay .............................................................. (or order)"
"The sum of....................................................................",

allowing the payee to endorse the cheque with his signature and use it in exchange for cash to pay into someone else's bank account. This was common practice in the days when not everyone had a bank account.

Here, the company to whom the goods are addressed is able to nominate another recipient "by order".

David Moore (X)
Local time: 02:47
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 20

Notes to answerer

Asker: I agree with you, but I had to choose Jack Doughty's answer (which I believe is similar to yours), as it was received first. Thank you very much for your help.

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