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Arabic translation: الآراء المُسيئة أو المضللة التي تصدر عن المتخصصين

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English term or phrase:disparaging or misleading professional opinions
Arabic translation:الآراء المُسيئة أو المضللة التي تصدر عن المتخصصين
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07:56 Apr 14, 2001
English to Arabic translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
English term or phrase: "disparaging or misleading professional opinions"
As is:
"The status of Child care is low. Contributing factors may include ... and disparaging or misleading professional opinions".
I would appreciate if someone could help me translate the term shown in the box above only please.
Thank you in advance.
Mona Helal
Local time: 21:46
ما قد يُدلي به المختَصُّون من آراء قادحة أو مُضَلِّلة
Explanation:
Mona,

Please don't let the suggested translation above turn you off. It is only one possibility among many for which I need first to prepare some groundwork. I will start with a couple of suggestions regarding Alaa’s and Raghad’s excellent translation suggestions:

1. Disparaging: In the context of "professional opinions," disparagement would probably not amount to IHTIQAR, IHANA or ISTIKHFAF. These terms carry a tone of almost moral condemnation that I think overstates the case. Raghad’s INTIQAS and DHAMM are a step in the right direction (I am sure you can fix the morphology).

I would suggest something along the line of آراء عائبة

If you want something stronger, as an apothecary would say, try آراء قادحة

The alternative is to rephrase:

آراء تقلل (أو تنتقص) من شأن
آراء تضع (أو تحطّ) من قيمة
آراء تعيب ممارسة

2. Professional Opinions: For those of us who are accustomed to reading translated pieces, the meaning of AARA’ MIHANIYYA may be transparent enough, as we usually guess what it was translated from, but without that bit of reverse engineering, the phrase would be as meaningful as TALQEEM ISTIRJA'I تلقيم استرجاعي (for "feedback").

To come up with possibly more natural-sounding alternatives, I would suggest starting with a closer look at what was meant by "professional" in this passage. Who are the opining professionals? Are these practitioners of the profession of childcare who blabber disparagingly about their chosen calling, or are they highly specialized experts in the field who write disparaging opinion pieces in professional periodicals? Based on what you know, some rephrased possibilities may be:

ما قد يُدلي به المختَصُّون من آراء
ما قد يَصدُرُ عن مُمارسي المهنة من آراء
الآراء الصادرة من محترفي المهنة
آراء الخبراء
آراء المختصين في هذا المجال

AARA’ MIHANIYYA is not a "wrong" translation; I am just exploring other possibilities that may sound more natural.

The finished phrase would depend on how far you are willing to depart from the English word order. Some of the suggestions given below are way out in left field, while others are more staid and sober, and a few are in the middle:

ما قد يُدلي به المختَصُّون من آراء قادحة أو مُضَلِّلة
ما قد يَصدُرُ عن مُمارسي المهنة من آراء عائبة أو مُضَلِّلة
الآراء القادحة أو المضَلِّلة الصادرة من مُحتَرفي المهنة
الآراء المضَلِّلة أو المنتَقصة لقدر هذا المجال الصادرة من الخبراء المختصين
الآراء المهنية المضَلِّلة أو التي تَعيبُ مُمارسةَ هذا النَوع من العمل

You can try a number of other similar combinations and see what would sound more natural to you.

Notes:

1. The text in one of my recent KudoZ posts has appeared garbled, as though it were written in a different language. Switching to a different code did not help. I hope this post comes out OK. If it does not, I apologize, and I will repost as soon I become aware of the problem.

2. My apologies to Boushra, who is unable to view Arabic script on her computer. I usually romanize single Arabic terms or short phrases, but romanizing a large group of long phrases or sentences would create an undesirable clutter. I hope that Boushra can overcome this problem soon.

Fuad
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Thank you very much Fuad for your valuable help and thanks to all contributors for your time and help.
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naما قد يُدلي به المختَصُّون من آراء قادحة أو مُضَلِّلةFuad Yahya
naAhkam mihaniya istikhfafiya aw mudalilaRaghad
naأراء مهنية مُحقـِّـرة أو مُضللة araa` mehaniyeh muhaqqireh aw mudallileh
Alaa Zeineldine


  

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أراء مهنية مُحقـِّـرة أو مُضللة araa` mehaniyeh muhaqqireh aw mudallileh


Explanation:
Professional opinions can be translated as أراء مهنية or استشارات مهنية.

According to the dictionary, disparaging can be محقرة or مهينة. The former (محقرة) has the connotation of "belittling", while the latter has the connotation of "insulting", I think that the former meaning محقرة might fit the context better.

Hope this helps,

Alaa Zeineldine


    Elias' Modern English Dictionary
    Reference: http://dictionary.ajeeb.com
Alaa Zeineldine
Egypt
Local time: 12:46
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 18
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Ahkam mihaniya istikhfafiya aw mudalila


Explanation:
Ahkam mihaniya istikhfafiya aw mudalila
أحكام مهنية استخفافية أو مضللة
Araa’ thato tabae’n isitikhfafi aw mudalil
آراء ذات طابع استخفافي أو مضلل
Araa’ istikhfafiya aw ahkam mihaniya mudalila
آراء استخفافية أو أحكام مهنية مضللة
Disparaging could also be: intiqasiya انتقاصية or muthema مذمة
Hope this is of any help.


Raghad
Local time: 12:46
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ما قد يُدلي به المختَصُّون من آراء قادحة أو مُضَلِّلة


Explanation:
Mona,

Please don't let the suggested translation above turn you off. It is only one possibility among many for which I need first to prepare some groundwork. I will start with a couple of suggestions regarding Alaa’s and Raghad’s excellent translation suggestions:

1. Disparaging: In the context of "professional opinions," disparagement would probably not amount to IHTIQAR, IHANA or ISTIKHFAF. These terms carry a tone of almost moral condemnation that I think overstates the case. Raghad’s INTIQAS and DHAMM are a step in the right direction (I am sure you can fix the morphology).

I would suggest something along the line of آراء عائبة

If you want something stronger, as an apothecary would say, try آراء قادحة

The alternative is to rephrase:

آراء تقلل (أو تنتقص) من شأن
آراء تضع (أو تحطّ) من قيمة
آراء تعيب ممارسة

2. Professional Opinions: For those of us who are accustomed to reading translated pieces, the meaning of AARA’ MIHANIYYA may be transparent enough, as we usually guess what it was translated from, but without that bit of reverse engineering, the phrase would be as meaningful as TALQEEM ISTIRJA'I تلقيم استرجاعي (for "feedback").

To come up with possibly more natural-sounding alternatives, I would suggest starting with a closer look at what was meant by "professional" in this passage. Who are the opining professionals? Are these practitioners of the profession of childcare who blabber disparagingly about their chosen calling, or are they highly specialized experts in the field who write disparaging opinion pieces in professional periodicals? Based on what you know, some rephrased possibilities may be:

ما قد يُدلي به المختَصُّون من آراء
ما قد يَصدُرُ عن مُمارسي المهنة من آراء
الآراء الصادرة من محترفي المهنة
آراء الخبراء
آراء المختصين في هذا المجال

AARA’ MIHANIYYA is not a "wrong" translation; I am just exploring other possibilities that may sound more natural.

The finished phrase would depend on how far you are willing to depart from the English word order. Some of the suggestions given below are way out in left field, while others are more staid and sober, and a few are in the middle:

ما قد يُدلي به المختَصُّون من آراء قادحة أو مُضَلِّلة
ما قد يَصدُرُ عن مُمارسي المهنة من آراء عائبة أو مُضَلِّلة
الآراء القادحة أو المضَلِّلة الصادرة من مُحتَرفي المهنة
الآراء المضَلِّلة أو المنتَقصة لقدر هذا المجال الصادرة من الخبراء المختصين
الآراء المهنية المضَلِّلة أو التي تَعيبُ مُمارسةَ هذا النَوع من العمل

You can try a number of other similar combinations and see what would sound more natural to you.

Notes:

1. The text in one of my recent KudoZ posts has appeared garbled, as though it were written in a different language. Switching to a different code did not help. I hope this post comes out OK. If it does not, I apologize, and I will repost as soon I become aware of the problem.

2. My apologies to Boushra, who is unable to view Arabic script on her computer. I usually romanize single Arabic terms or short phrases, but romanizing a large group of long phrases or sentences would create an undesirable clutter. I hope that Boushra can overcome this problem soon.

Fuad


    American Heritage Dictionary, Al-Mawrid
    Nuj'at Al-Ra'id
Fuad Yahya
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