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Zoology / horses
English term or phrase: working hunters
Отново вид коне. "...can be exhibited in the show ring as in-hand, ridden or working hunters."
Emilia Delibasheva
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4 -1работни ловджийски коне
Ludwig Chekhovtsov


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работни ловджийски коне


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Това е.

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Types Of Horses

Show Jumper

As long as it can and will jump obstacles, a show jumper can be any size, colour, breed or height. Successful ones must be bold, brave, disciplined and must have a tremendous power. In many competitions speed is also a factor. Show jumpers must also be versitile to cope with the sharp turns and difficult approaches in to fences. They must possess a calm temperament, so that there is no or little reaction to the pressure of competition, the noise of the crowd or the bright lights of the indoor circuit

A good show jumper is characterised by a compact body, with tremendous power shown by the hindquarters. Most of the best show jumpers are made up of a mixture of breeds although Hanovarians and Irish horses are renowned for their athletic ability

Hunter

A hunter describes any horse which is thought to be suited to hunting. Therefore, it must be bold, intelligent and capable of negotiating all kinds of obstacles. It must be sound, both in its breathing and in it's limbs. It must be fit enough to last for at least 5 hours without tiring. Hunters vary according to the country that they are hunted in. In heavy going a strong built horse will endure the suck of the ground, which would cause a light weight horse to stagger and lose it's balance. On grassland which could be termed as fast, a thoroughbred would leave a heavy horse standing

The essential qualities of a hunter are soundness, endurance, intelligence, good jumping ability, good manners, a good temperament and stamina. Show hunters are divided into 5 different categories, these are according to weight

1 - up to 175lb (light weight hunter)
2 - up to 196lb (middle weight hunter)
3 - over 196lb (heavy weight hunter)
4 - 14.2-15.2hh - Small ridden hunter
5 - Ladies hunter

Racehorse

The word racehorse has become widely associated over the years with the Thoroughbred horse. However, it is not just this breed that is used today for racing. This is because within the sport there are many different variations of racing. Steeplechasing and trotting are just two examples of these. The horses that are used in these types of competitions are American Trotters and Arabs. In America there is also Shetland racing

The characteristics of any racehorse are stamina, speed, fitness and again soundness in both lungs and limb


Polo Pony

Polo ponies are not specifically bred for the sport. They are picked out before they become mature adult horses if they show an aptitude for the game. They need to be around 15hh and should be bold, intelligent and extremely versitile. Most of them are of Thoroughbred ancestry, but the breeding is not always pure. Many of the polo ponies are bred in Argentina, where Polo is a big sport

Show Pony

The show pony stands at no bigger than 14.2hh and has a conformation good enough to win in the show ring. The three size groups are up to 12.2hh, up to 13.2hh and up to 14.2hh. They are judged on conformation, manners, action at the walk, trot and canter. Turnout, riding and presentation also considerations

As the object is to select the perfect pony, colour and breed are not of concern, but an elegant and good-looking pony is usually required and so the nearest breed to the Thoroughbred is desirable

Cob

This is a sturdy placid animal - often the by-product of an attempt to produce a heavy hunter from a part bred cart mare crossed with a quality stallion

The cob stands from between 14.2-15.2hh and has a quality head on a thick crested neck, strong sloping shoulders, a short back with a deep girth, generous rounded hindquarters with a generous second thigh and short legs. The quality of the bone is once again generous, the cob has hard round feet which are strong. It has a calm and intelligent expression and may be any colour. It's action should be long striding, smooth and very comfortable

The cob should be safe, calm, obedient and comfortable



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ЕТО ЗА КАКВО СТАВА ДУМА:

THE BRITISH HORSE WITH A HISTORY AND A FUTURE

CLEVELAND BAY HISTORY

... To this day one may still detect the two types of Cleveland - the smaller, resembling the Chapman, and the taller resembling the Yorkshire Coach Horses. Both nevertheless retain the bone and substance of their ancestors.

... The Pure-Bred Cleveland Bay is a very intelligent horse with a sensible temperament. They possess a strong character which, if mishandled can be spoiled. They have plenty of bone and substance, are hardy, long lived and have tremendous stamina.

... As carriage and driving horses they remain unsurpassed. For this purpose a good number are kept at the Royal Mews. Teams of Clevelands can be seen competing in FEI driving trials. Many are driven as singles and in pairs purely for pleasure.

THEY MAKE IDEAL HEAVY WIGHT HUNTERS FOR THE FIELD, AND CAN BE EXHIBITED IN THE SHOW RING EITHER AS IN-HAND, RIDDEN OR WORKING HUNTERS.

As sound active horses with substance, stamina and a good temperament they make excellent police horses.

www.clevelandbay.com/history.htm

МИСЛЯ ЧЕ ТРЯБВА ДА ВИ ДАМ ПРИМЕР ЗА СРАВНЕНИЕ :

Irish Hunters

... As the name implies, this horse is a popular hunting horse and is known as a horse suited to one and even two days of hunting per week during the hunting season. The general characteristics of Hunters call for a bold, intelligent horse with great stamina and jumping ability. Good conformation is also desirable due to the long hours endured by both horse and rider.

... Depending on the classification, Hunters stand at varying heights. There are five categories for the horses depending on weight of the rider and height of the horse: up to 175 lb., up to 196 lb., over 196 lb., small (14.2-15.2 hh), and lady's. In addition, there are sub-categories for show horses that are also used in the field: lightweight working Hunter, heavyweight working Hunter, and child's working Hunter.

INTERESTING FACTS The Irish Hunter is well known for it's general robustness. It is usually a healthy animal and easy to feed. Most importantly the Irish Hunter is a brave and intelligent animal, making it all the more easy to handle. It is powerfull yet agile, with great reserves of stamina. These are the characteristics which account for it's popularity as a world class show jumper.

www.flowerhill.net/Hunting_Horses.htm

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Note added at 1 day 7 hrs 41 mins (2005-10-23 21:51:32 GMT)
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Пак за Cleveland bay, но този път, за съжаление, на руски (за тях, които разбират, и с извинение към останалите):

Фритц Тидеманн "ПРЫЖОК ЛОШАДИ"
перевод с немецкого Н.В. Дорофеевой, 1982 г. Fritz Thiedemann, "Das Spring Pferde", "Reiter Revue",1979, N 11 Фритц Тидеманн, журнал "Райтер Ревю", ФРГ, 1979, № 11

Выбор конкурной лошади

... Будущая конкурная лошадь не должна иметь длинную спину...
Спина конкурной лошади должна быть такой длины, чтобы лошадь по формату напоминала прямоугольник, скорее даже квадрат, но не укороченный. ... Так, например, мои лошади Retina и Original Holsatia имели короткую спину и по экстерьеру приближались к квадрату...

baltichorse.com/?id=15

КОННЫЙ СПОРТ В КАЗАХСТАНЕ

Кливлендская гнедая

Нрав: кливлендская гнедая обладает необычайной выносливостью и послушностью. Это умные и чуткие животные.

Экстерьер: голова простых линий, глаза добрые. Шея, корпус и поясница длинные, ноги короткие, круп мощный. Хвост высоко приставлен.

Использование: кливлендская гнедая - полукровная универсальная лошадь, широко используется как упряжная и верховая. При скрещивании кливлендской гнедой с чистокровной верховой получаются гунтеры.

Движения: благодаря своим движениям кливлендская гнедая пользуется успехом как охотничья лошадь.

Примечания: ... Лошади этой породы использовались как вьючные, пока не были построены дороги. ... Развитие механизированного транспорта положило конец использованию этой породы для перевозки грузов, теперь кливлендскую гнедую разводят как исключительную охотничью лошадь.

Дополнительная информация: ... Со времен правления Генриха 2-го (1727-1760) кливлендская лошадь "служила" в королевской гвардии, а ее племенная книга была открыта в 1884 г. Эти лошади по сей день занимают почетное место в королевских конюшнях. ... Многие годы кливлендская гнедая была признана наиболее пригодной лошадью для экипажей.
... Порода достигла почти полного исчезновения после окончания Второй Мировой войны .Ее сохранению существенно помогла королева Елизавета 2-я. В 1962 г. В Великобритании оставалось всего четыре чистопородных кливлендских жеребца, и Ее Величество купила жеребца по кличке Мулгрейв Сюприм ,который должен был быть экспортирован в Соединенные Штаты. Ее Величество стала инициатором программы разведения, использующей чистопородных кобыл, так же как и кобыл других пород, и через 15 лет в Англии насчитывалось 36 чистопородных жеребцов. Кливлендская порода все еще крайне редка, во всем мире насчитывается от 500 до 800 голов. Кливлендские гнедые сегодня являются составной частью Королевских церемоний в Лондоне, и их можно увидеть запряженными в королевские кареты по торжественным поводам, таким как визиты иностранных официальных лиц и другие события. Его Величество принц Филипп выступал ранее на упряжке кливлендских гнедых на международных соревнованиях по драйвингу.

Кливлендские лошади - хороший выбор при скрещивании с чистокровными верховыми для получения качественных гунтеров для охоты и конкура.

horsesport.info/Horses/breed26.htm



С.П. Урусов - Книга о лошади

Кливлендская лошадь (The Cleveland bay)

... за последние десятилетия можно было встретить всего только несколько голов этой прекрасной породы. Многие известные иппологи, как граф Лендорф и Натузиус объявили даже, что гнедые кливеленды совершенно вымерли. Но однако так плохо дело еще не обстоит. Порода не только существует, но является предметом попечений специально организованного Общества „The Cleveland bay horse society", которое издало уже два тома „Cleveland bay stud books".

"... О практической пользе Cleveland bay не стоит распространяться. Он очень полезен для плуга, возки тяжестей и не быстрой верховой службы. Правда, кливлендские лошади везут большие тяжести, но с другой стороны они гораздо быстрее работают в плуге, да и с тяжестями, встречающимися в фермерском хозяйстве, они справляются легко"...

http://www.cnshb.ru/AKDiL/0005/base/198.shtm



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И накрая:

Ако честно искаме да стигнем истина, трябва да се съгласим, че за превод бе предложен откъс от статия "CLEVELAND BAY HISTORY". И трябва да търсим отговори, които пасват само до тази наистина много рядка порода на коне. Идеална за служба в полиция, в британската кралска гвардия, но не и за конкур-ипик.


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Note added at 1 day 11 hrs 25 mins (2005-10-24 01:35:12 GMT)
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Честно казано, има и други ловджийски работни коне, не само от Кливлъндската порода:

Доня (кобыла)
... Доня - охотничья рабочая лошадь и используется по своему назначению (охота в тайге)...
www.horse.ru/vc/index.php?view=horses&p=22

А, например, за работни ловджийски кучета всеки уважаващ себе си ловджията може много да разкаже ...

Ludwig Chekhovtsov
Local time: 22:32
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  xxx7777: "misho: Г-н Chekhovtsov, аман с Вашите руски речници... поне 80% от преводите, които давате, са директен превод от руски. Ама, едно си баба знае, едно си баба бае. Вие друго явно не знаете... "! "Охотничья рабочая лошадь" по русски, но НЕ на български!!!
57 mins
  -> Също така и "working hunter" is in English, но НЕ на български!!!!

neutral  Yavor Dimitrov: Ludwig, 7777 е прав - това са все състезателни коне.
19 hrs
  -> Конни състезанията биват различни видове: например, надбягване с каруци. Обаче според специалистите кливлъндски коне не са за скачане или конкур-ипик. Те не са толкоз бързи и имат прекалено дълъг корпус за това.
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