قیاس مع الفارق

English translation: comparison of incommensurables

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 Farsi (Persian) term or phrase: قیاس مع الفارق English translation: comparison of incommensurables Entered by:

 14:47 May 1, 2008
Farsi (Persian) to English translations [PRO]
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 Farsi (Persian) term or phrase: قیاس مع الفارق قیاس مع الفارق For example irrelevant deduction or false analogy. Thanks in advance
 Sara
 comparison of incommensurables Explanation:incommensurable adj: having no common measure or standard of comparison; as, quantities are incommensurable when no third quantity can be found that is an aliquot part of both; the side and diagonal of a square are incommensurable with each other; the diameter and circumference of a circle are incommensurable n.: One of two or more quantities which have no common measure academic.udayton.edu/LawrenceUlrich/313systems.htm ---------------------------------------------------Note added at 3 hrs (2008-05-01 18:18:10 GMT)--------------------------------------------------Example: The UN approach would have us measure the rights of states against socially basic human rights, which may well constitute a comparison of incommensurables http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=s...
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5 +5comparison of incommensurables
 Ali Beikian
5 +3metaphor/simile
 Edward Plaisance Jr
4An analogy with no criteria
 Alireza Yazdunpanuh
4To analogize between two different/irrelevant elements
 Subhan Fakhrizada

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To analogize between two different/irrelevant elements

Explanation:
To analogize between two different/irrelevant elements

 Subhan FakhrizadaCanadaLocal time: 06:21Native speaker of: Pashto (Pushto), DariPRO pts in category: 8
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An analogy with no criteria

Explanation:
This is a kind of false analogy so I don't think that the phrase "false analogy" corresponds to the Farsi expression. In my alternative, I have tried to translate it component by component, semantically speaking.

 Alireza YazdunpanuhIranLocal time: 13:51Specializes in fieldNative speaker of: Farsi (Persian)PRO pts in category: 4
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metaphor/simile

Explanation:
Metaphor is the direct comparison of unlike things. For example "John is a rock"
Simile is a comparison of unlike things which uses "like". For example "John is like a rock"
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech for a complete listing of figures of speech
From Dehkhoda قياس مع الفارق ; قياس کردن چيزي با چيز ديگر بلا مناسبت و اشتراک ميان هر دو.

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"False analogy" implies that the "analogy" is defective, as in the Wikipedia "watch" example, not that things being compared are unlike.

In my Arabic dictionary "analogy" is "ghias al-temsil". It would seem that where analogy looks for similarity, "ghias ma' al-faregh" is looking for comparison between differences. Generally, this is what metaphor is used for.

As far as being a reasoning method, I am not sure. Dehkhoda's definition seems to fit being a figure of speech more.

By the way, my Arabic dictionary also has "este'are" has the meaning for metaphor.

I guess the asker will have to decide what fits the text better.

 Edward Plaisance JrLocal time: 06:21Specializes in fieldNative speaker of: EnglishPRO pts in category: 255

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neutral  Mohammad Reza Razaghi: It seems that the term in question is not a figure of speech (your suggestions here mean استعاره), but a term in philosophy, so it would be considered as a reasoning method. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy What do you think?
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comparison of incommensurables

Explanation:
incommensurable

adj: having no common measure or standard of
comparison; as, quantities are incommensurable when no third
quantity can be found that is an aliquot part of both; the
side and diagonal of a square are incommensurable with each
other; the diameter and circumference of a circle are
incommensurable

n.: One of two or more quantities which have no common measure

academic.udayton.edu/LawrenceUlrich/313systems.htm -

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Example:

The UN approach would have us measure the rights of states against socially basic human rights, which may well constitute a comparison of incommensurables

http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=s...

Reference: http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=incommensu...
Reference: http://www.euro.who.int/Document/HMS/uncertainty_mtgrep.pdf
 Ali BeikianIranLocal time: 13:51Native speaker of: Persian (Farsi), Farsi (Persian)PRO pts in category: 40
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agree  Behzad Molavi: This closely reflects comparison among items of irrelevant qualities. Whereas, metaphor is rather a literary term meaning استعاره, not a logical expression.
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Changes made by editors
 May 6, 2008 - Changes made by Ali Beikian: Edited KOG entry 's old entry - "قیاس مع الفارق" » "comparison of incommensurables" May 1, 2008 - Changes made by Mohammad Reza Razaghi: Level Non-PRO » PRO

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