brut propre

18:13 Nov 30, 2009
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French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Architecture / commercial development
French term or phrase: brut propre
This is in a description of a new development for business use. They are offering two different finishes to prospective leaseholders: "brut propre ou qualité bureau". At this time of the evening I can't seem to come up with a good way of describing the first, less-finished form.
Gilla Evans
Local time: 10:17


Summary of answers provided
2 +4(clean) rough finish
Jean-Louis S.
3 +1tidy bare/unfinished
Bourth (X)
2finished shell
Travelin Ann
Summary of reference entries provided
philgoddard

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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +4
(clean) rough finish


Explanation:
'brut' usually corresponds to a 'rough finish"; in your case it is 'cleaned-off' or simply 'finished' (?).
This is in contrast to fully finished 'offices'.

Jean-Louis S.
United States
Local time: 05:17
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks jlsjr, rough was my first thought, but I'm torn between that and bare. I may end up with something like "clean bare finish". Cobbling answers together leaves me with a dilemma over points though.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alison Sabedoria: Just how rough it's difficult to say, certainly "undecorated"
58 mins
  -> Merci, Wordeffect!

agree  philgoddard
2 hrs
  -> Merci, Phil!

agree  Chris Hall
3 hrs
  -> Merci, Chris!

agree  Helen Shiner: Yes, simple finish as opposed to full office standard (whatever that is)
4 hrs
  -> Merci, Helen!
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
finished shell


Explanation:
While I do not disagree with Phil's response, I believe I have also seen this terminology. Could be specific to the US. Have not been able to locate a good link, but will keep looking

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http://books.google.com/books?id=qCADAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA143&lpg=P...

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http://www.loopnet.com/property/15845108/18735-East-Colonial...

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Sorry - I meant to say that I do not disagree with jlsjr's response.

Travelin Ann
Local time: 05:17
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
tidy bare/unfinished


Explanation:
Assuming brut means brut de béton , i.e. bare concrete walls and floor, no wall lining, no ceilings, no flooring, no partitions (although the sites below suggest a modicum of finishing). As opposed to "fitted (out)" office space.

"bureaux bruts de béton" 299 ghits
"bare offices" 1600
"bare office space" 30,200

Hot shell offices i.e. BARE OFFICES with IPS flooring, walls with gypsum plaster and form finished slabs. * Adequate parking below stilt and at podium level ...
www.olx.in › Real Estate in India › Office - Commercial Space ["hot shell office" appears to be an Indian expression]

Fitted or BARE OFFICE SPACE units for rent or lease! Size: 700-5000sqft. Apollo Centre, Riverside, Central Square/Mall, Chinatown Point, South Bridge & more ...
www.streetdirectory.com/realestate/property_detail.php?id.....

What does a BARE OFFICE SPACE mean? Semi furnished? Fully furnished? A bare office space essentially comes with cement rendered flooring and suspended ...
www.officespace.com.my/faq.htm



Bourth (X)
Local time: 11:17
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 539
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you Bourth, I like bare rather than rough and clean rather than tidy, so will probably go for a combination. Can you split points?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Miranda Joubioux: Bare sounds good to me!
2 hrs
  -> You naturiste, you!
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Reference comments


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Reference information:
Do you have any more context? Surely they wouldn't just use these terms without explaining them, perhaps later on in the document?

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Sorry, this should be a discussion entry.

philgoddard
United States
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 48
Note to reference poster
Asker: I'm afraid that is all there is. It's in a list of technical data: 2 degrés de finition des surfaces (brut propre ou qualité bureau).

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