Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
feuille
English translation:
work on paper
Added to glossary by
Laurette Tassin
Jul 20, 2013 09:27
11 yrs ago
French term
feuille
French to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
graphic arts
quelques-unes des plus belles ** feuilles ** du cabinet d'art graphique
I have already had to use pages.
And was wondering if "papers" could be used as "canvasses" is used for paintings. It concerns drawings and watercolours
I have already had to use pages.
And was wondering if "papers" could be used as "canvasses" is used for paintings. It concerns drawings and watercolours
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +5 | works on paper | Helen Shiner |
4 | paper | Yvonne Gallagher |
4 | images | Paul Hirsh |
Proposed translations
+5
35 mins
Selected
works on paper
Generally, English requires you to be more specific in this arena. Typically, an EN text would say prints, drawings, watercolours or whatever. We don't speak about sheets, pages, or so on, in a museum collection. Although longer 'works on paper' is the generic term, including all of the above, and printed ephemera may also be included in some collections, though in others they would represent a different category.
The Art collection at the National Museum Cardiff houses 28,000 works on paper. These comprise watercolours, drawings, prints, sketchbooks and albums. It is a broad-based collection, ranging from prints by Rembrandt and Picasso to watercolours by Cézanne and Turner and drawings by Burne-Jones and David Nash. There are particularly extensive holdings of works by Augustus and Gwen John (over 2,000 works), Graham Sutherland, David Jones and Ray Howard-Jones. These give a unique insight into the working methods of these artists. We also have a large collection of topographical views of Wales.
http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/108/
An auction may describe works on paper in terms of 'sheet size' but I've never heard anyone refer to sheets in general.
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Note added at 45 mins (2013-07-20 10:13:01 GMT)
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Easily done; it's the same in German and I know my mind can get too close to the source terminology when I'm tired! I guess it is the nature of our work.
The Art collection at the National Museum Cardiff houses 28,000 works on paper. These comprise watercolours, drawings, prints, sketchbooks and albums. It is a broad-based collection, ranging from prints by Rembrandt and Picasso to watercolours by Cézanne and Turner and drawings by Burne-Jones and David Nash. There are particularly extensive holdings of works by Augustus and Gwen John (over 2,000 works), Graham Sutherland, David Jones and Ray Howard-Jones. These give a unique insight into the working methods of these artists. We also have a large collection of topographical views of Wales.
http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/108/
An auction may describe works on paper in terms of 'sheet size' but I've never heard anyone refer to sheets in general.
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Note added at 45 mins (2013-07-20 10:13:01 GMT)
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Easily done; it's the same in German and I know my mind can get too close to the source terminology when I'm tired! I guess it is the nature of our work.
Note from asker:
Thanks, I didn't think so, and also I haven't used pages for these works but in reference to the guide itself. I have heard "papiers" in French but never in English, and sheets seemed strange. But silly me didn't think of works on paper. |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Laura Bennett
7 mins
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Thanks, Laura
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agree |
Yvonne Gallagher
: well of course, context is key
9 mins
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Thanks, gallagy2
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agree |
Evans (X)
1 hr
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Thanks, Gilla
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agree |
emiledgar
1 hr
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Thanks, emiledgar
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agree |
B D Finch
1 day 9 hrs
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Thanks, B D Finch
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you for all your helpful information"
19 mins
paper
yes, watercolour or drawing paper
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Note added at 21 mins (2013-07-20 09:48:43 GMT)
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is this paper for drawing or painting on?. It would be useful to see more context. Is this about materials or the finished work?
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Note added at 24 mins (2013-07-20 09:51:40 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watercolor_painting
http://cregalart.net/watercolour-paper-c-1_23_147.html
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Note added at 24 mins (2013-07-20 09:52:19 GMT)
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"sheet" might also be used for "page"
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Note added at 49 mins (2013-07-20 10:17:27 GMT)
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you could also just say watercolours or drawings for individual works rather than the full collection of works on paper, but not "washes" as that is a technique as Helen has said
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Note added at 58 mins (2013-07-20 10:25:35 GMT)
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lavis ... wash drawings...pen/ink with a wash
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hi/hi_drwa.htm
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Note added at 21 mins (2013-07-20 09:48:43 GMT)
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is this paper for drawing or painting on?. It would be useful to see more context. Is this about materials or the finished work?
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Note added at 24 mins (2013-07-20 09:51:40 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watercolor_painting
http://cregalart.net/watercolour-paper-c-1_23_147.html
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Note added at 24 mins (2013-07-20 09:52:19 GMT)
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"sheet" might also be used for "page"
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Note added at 49 mins (2013-07-20 10:17:27 GMT)
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you could also just say watercolours or drawings for individual works rather than the full collection of works on paper, but not "washes" as that is a technique as Helen has said
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Note added at 58 mins (2013-07-20 10:25:35 GMT)
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lavis ... wash drawings...pen/ink with a wash
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hi/hi_drwa.htm
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Helen Shiner
: This is about a museum collection./To be fair, Laurette did say it was associated with a cabinet d'arts graphique. But there wasn't much context, I agree.
17 mins
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yes, now I know
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5 hrs
images
If the rest of the piece is clear about what it is about, this is a lightweight possibility
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Helen Shiner
: It's about the support, not the content/subject matter./Difficult to see your reasoning - would have thought any translator would be well-versed in such terminology.
1 hr
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well of course it is, Helen. I only suggested it in case this was a synecdoche for "pictures" which could be by-passed by the translator to get to the nub.
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Discussion
J'ai aussi entendu un galeriste dire: "c'est un papier de XXX" as one could say "c'est une toile de XXX"
folio would have to be in a book "feuillet"
This is a paragraph in the preface of a museum guide pertaining to a chapter dedicated to graphic arts, specifically works on paper, drawings, ink and wash, etc... But the authors have used* feuille * throughout and I just wondered if there was a technical term that I didn't know of... that I could use for this... so there isn't! Oh well. "Works" is so..... arrgh bland!
But
Though in French the curator mentions un lavis de Goya... so I'd have to say watercolour in this case I guess.
My question is: can I use papers as one would use canvas (to avoid repeating painting or to translate 'toile')