division mondiale

English translation: international division

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French term or phrase:	division mondiale
English translation:	international division
Entered by:	Jocelyne S

11:00 Oct 29, 2008

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Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general)

French term or phrase: division mondiale

La *division mondiale* de XXX dont la holding est en France, possède des filiales dans les principaux pays industrialisés et en fort développement.

I'm stuck on how to turn this sentence around.

Many thanks for your thoughts.
Best,
Jocelyne

Jocelyne S KudoZ activity Questions: 162 (none open) Answers: 563 France
Local time: 05:42

international division

Explanation:
Sorry if that seems so straightforward, but I think it fits the bill...

Many instances on the web, of course...

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SBIG
France
Local time: 05:42

Grading comment

Great, thank you very much to all for quelling my worries!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +9

international division

SBIG

3 +1

international operations

Jenny w

international branch

Jane RM

Discussion entries: 6

234561

No translation of Proper nouns

20:15 Oct 29, 2008

No translation of Proper nouns
The formal name of an organisation including a division is a proprer noun that is never translated, unless the company itself has an accepted and official term for it. Therefore I would simply put in italics the Division Mondiale follwed by a phrase such as "with subsidiaries throughout the world"

Bourth (X)

Dupont

11:38 Oct 29, 2008

Imagine Dupont SA in Paris, with subsidiaries Dupont Engineering, Dupont Building, Dupont Building International, Dupont Plumbing and Electricity, etc. Dupont Building International has its own subsidiaries, Dupont Polska, Dupont UK, Dupont Kazakh, plus smaller subsidiaries like Taylor Electrical Installation Services, Mansfield, Ltd. "Division" does not necessarily mean "department" but, used "loosely", perhaps, can refer to a subsidiary, be it a single-company subsidiary or a "groupe" in its own right.

Julie Barber

United Kingdom

subsidiaries

11:30 Oct 29, 2008

Subsidiaries can have subsidiaries under them, so I can't see anything amiss in the sentence. You can have a holding or parent company at the top, with subsids under it and in turn, they can have companies under them, with all manner of possible ownership structures...

SBIG

France

No danger here ?

11:30 Oct 29, 2008

Hi JS ! From the look of it, I'd say that the international division owns the mentioned subsidiaries. Of course, we'd have to access formal organisational info to be perfectly sure. But I think the sentence looks non-threatening as it is, and a literal translation will probably be perfectly fine.

polyglot45

look of the company's website

11:20 Oct 29, 2008

and all should become clear

Jocelyne S

France

ASKER

Of course, but...

11:18 Oct 29, 2008

Thanks SBIG. I think that your answer makes sense, but I'm a bit unsure about how to turn the sentence around: does the International Division have the mentioned subsidiaries? It seems to me that the Holding Company would be more likely to have the subsidiaries than the International Division. Am I just tired or is there something more to this?

Answers

5 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +9

international division

Explanation:
Sorry if that seems so straightforward, but I think it fits the bill...

Many instances on the web, of course...

SBIG
France
Local time: 05:42
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

French,

English
PRO pts in category: 8

Grading comment

Great, thank you very much to all for quelling my worries!

22 mins confidence:

international branch

Explanation:
XXX's international branch, the holding company of which is located in France, has subsidiaries

Jane RM
France
Local time: 05:42
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 53

50 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

international operations

Explanation:
The international operations of XXX, whose Holding Company is in France, spread throughout.......

Jenny w
France
Local time: 05:42
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

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