avant

English translation: profit on holdings; particular advantage (or benefit)

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French term or phrase:	avant. partic.
English translation:	profit on holdings; particular advantage (or benefit)
Entered by:	Laura Hastings-Brownstein

19:50 Feb 29, 2012

French to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general) / Registry Extract (Swiss Record)

French term or phrase: avant

I am translating a form from Switzerland which is an extract from the registration records. It does not have much context, as there are headings, etc. with abbreviations that I am not able to figure out.

Here is the header, containing "avant", but I also do not know exactly how to translate the other abbreviations that follow this single term. I am hoping someone has translated these before and can help me figure out how to translate these abbreviations.

Apports en nature, reprises de biens, compensation de créances, avant, partie., resp., vers, suppl.

Thanks very much in advance,

Laura

Laura Hastings-Brownstein KudoZ activity Questions: 405 (none open) (5 without valid answers) (15 closed without grading) Answers: 92
Local time: 23:05

particular advantage (or benefit)

Explanation:
Je pense que "Apports en nature, reprises de biens, compensation de créances, avantage particulier, respectivement, versement, supplémentaire" (voir la référence) soit raisonnable pour composer le capital social. Je veux donc répondre à la question en conséquence.

No much possibilities for what „partic.“ may signify acc. my dictionaries for law and commerce.

Found terms like “participant”, “participation”, “participer” and “particulier”.
Unfortunately I cannot support Timothy’s suggestion for "avantage participation" = "profit on holdings" or "gain on shares", as the complete phrase deals with capital contributions, and none of these terms would fit the context. The only remaining signification is “particulier”. Moreover, my dictionary has listed the term “avantage particulier”, also noted by IATE:
"avant. partic.", is an abbreviated composition, what means "avantage particulier"
translated to:
particular benefits or payments in kind

fr
prestation dispensée en nature
avantage en nature
rémunération en nature
prestation en nature
en
payment in kind
benefit in kind
http://iate.europa.eu/iatediff/SearchByQuery.do?method=searc...

fr
avantage particulier
de
besonderer Vorteil
en
special advantage
particular benefit
special privilege
special benefit
http://iate.europa.eu/iatediff/SearchByQuery.do?method=searc...

Selected response from:

Johannes Gleim
Local time: 08:05

Grading comment

Thanks, Johannes!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +1

particular advantage (or benefit)

Johannes Gleim

5 -1

before

Jessie Nelson

2 +1

avantages particuliers

rokotas

Summary of reference entries provided

Je comprends la phrase comme suivant :

Johannes Gleim

Discussion entries: 17

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

to Rokotas

01:12 Mar 2, 2012

Yes, that sounds right! Thanks!

Timothy Rake

United States

to Rokotas

16:56 Mar 1, 2012

good call - "versement supplémentaire" sounds quite logical!

rokotas

vers. suppl.

16:47 Mar 1, 2012

Je crois plutot que 'versements supplementaires' aurait plus de sens que 'version'

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

To Timothy

15:27 Mar 1, 2012

I agree, I think it is "version supplémentaire", as for "resp." there is a case to be made for leaving it as it is (abbreviated), which is what I used in the translation. Thanks so much for your help, Timothy!

Timothy Rake

United States

to Laura

15:13 Mar 1, 2012

as concerns the rest "resp., vers. suppl." you might think in terms of "responsable, version supplémentaire" I'm not sure how that fits with it all, but something to consider

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

To Tony

14:54 Mar 1, 2012

Yes, you are right about the error in my OCR copy. I am really glad you pointed this situation out to me, it makes a huge difference. In fact I think I know what the abbreviation is now.
Thanks for your time and help.
Laura

Johannes Gleim

In fact,

07:19 Mar 1, 2012

"avant." within the string "Apports en nature, reprises de biens, compensation de créances, avant. partie., resp., vers, suppl." looks being an abbreviation (for avantage?).

Tony M

France

@ Laura

04:52 Mar 1, 2012

In line with KudoZ rule 2.3, please post your 2 other terms in separate questions.

Do note from your image that it is in fact 'vers. suppl.'; copying that accurately will probably help people give you the right answers.

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

Others?

04:46 Mar 1, 2012

Does anyone know what the rest of the abbreviations after "avant. partic."?

i.e., resp., vers, suppl. Thanks!

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

To Timothy

04:43 Mar 1, 2012

Thanks! Yes, it is a scanned copy that I am working with so I now do see that it is different. I thank you very much for your help.

Tony M

France

Agree with Timothy

03:52 Mar 1, 2012

The term on the actual form does not appear as you have posted it here, which is confusing.

Although I wouldn't venture to suggest a translation, I certainly agree that now we know the two words are in fact abbreviated and belong together, Timothy's reading is, I feel sure, correct.

Timothy Rake

United States

avant. partic.

03:37 Mar 1, 2012

Laura, now that I see the document, I read this as also an abbreviation: "avant. partic." What I/you thought was "partie" looks as (enlarged) actually "partic." Thus, I think it reads something more like "avantage participation" = "profit on holdings" or "gain on shares"

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

Here is an image

01:43 Mar 1, 2012

Here is an image of the form. I have removed the identifying text:
http://www.tcrlist.com//For ProZ.jpg

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

To Timothy

01:25 Mar 1, 2012

Yes, I am sure that is it. It is asking for options of a corporation's status. I would post an image file of the form, but it is confidential for my client, so I don't think it would be proper for me to do so. What you have suggested is what I needed. Please post as an answer so I can give you the points.

Laura Hastings-Brownstein

ASKER

Re: Table

01:23 Mar 1, 2012

Yes, it is like a table. It is a form with headers followed by blank areas where the company inputs the information. It is a record which is held in the Registry of a Swiss canton.
Thanks, Laura

Johannes Gleim

Is this a table,

00:31 Mar 1, 2012

with column headings?

Timothy Rake

United States

avant

00:17 Mar 1, 2012

could this refer to a "pre-pay" option. As in "in-kind shares, recovery of goods, offset indebtedness, pre-pay, in part, ...." and then I don't have any idea. What does this extract concern?

Answers

10 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

avant. partic. avantages particuliers

Explanation:
une hypothese

rokotas
Local time: 09:05
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Greek

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you, Rokotas!

2 days 23 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

before

Explanation:
Here are the other words
1. apports en nature contributions in kind
2. reprises de biens return of assets
3. compensation de créances compensation claim
4. partie party
5. resp. (responsables) officials or managers
6. vers towards
7. suppl. supplementary

Jessie Nelson
United States
Local time: 02:05
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for trying to help, but these words are not being used in a straight forward manner in this document. Just to translate them as "party", "towards", etc. is not appropriate. Of course I know how to translate these words, but not in this context. Unfortunately, I had put in parentheses "in this context" but some well-meaning ProZ member removed that caveat. But, seriously, any high school student of French could translate these words thusly. Most of us here on ProZ are professional translators, so if one has a question on a simple term such as this, the context is the problem.

4 days confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

avant(age) partic(ulier)

particular advantage (or benefit)

Johannes Gleim
Local time: 08:05
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Thanks, Johannes!

Reference comments

23 hrs

Reference: Je comprends la phrase comme suivant :

Reference information:
"Apports en nature, reprises de biens, compensation de créances, avant. partie., resp., vers, suppl."

peut être traduis à

„Sacheinlagen, Sachübernahmen, Forderungsaufrechnungen, bzw. Teil-Sachleistungen, Nachschüsse“ en Allemand,
ou
"Contribution (investment) in kind, acquisition (transfer) of assets, offsetting of debts and claims, benefits (payments) in kind, respectively, subsequent payment (additional contribution)" en Anglais.

Cf. IATE:

1.
fr
Terminus apport en nature
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)

de
Terminus Sacheinlage
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)

en
Terminus investment in kind
Zuverlässigkeit 2 (Mindestzuverlässigkeit)

Terminus contribution in kind
Zuverlässigkeit 2 (Mindestzuverlässigkeit)
http://iate.europa.eu/iatediff/SearchByQuery.do?method=searc... en nature&sourceLanguage=fr&domain=0&matching=&start=0&next=1&targetLanguages=de&targetLanguages=en&targetLanguages=fr

2.
fr
Definition Acte juridique,passé entre les fondateurs ou la société et un tiers par lequel la société prend l'engagement de reprendre de ce tiers divers biens en nature contre paiement d'une certaine somme en espèces.
Terminus reprise de biens
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)

de
Definition Abmachung,die im Gründungsstadium vorsieht,dass die Gesellschaft gewisse Vermögenswerte entgeltlich übernehmen soll.
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)

en
Terminus transfer of assets
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)
Kontext If the Company acquires assets from shareholders or third parties,or if it intends to make such acquisition of assets,the articles of incorporation shall indicate the object,the name of the alienator,and the consideration to be given by the Company.
Terminus acquisition of assets
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)
Kontext If the Company acquires assets from shareholders or third parties,or if it intends to make such acquisition of assets,the articles of incorporation shall indicate the object,the name of the alienator,and the consideration to be given by the Company.
http://iate.europa.eu/iatediff/SearchByQuery.do?method=searc... de biens&sourceLanguage=fr&domain=0&matching=&start=0&next=1&targetLanguages=de&targetLanguages=en&targetLanguages=fr

3.
fr
Definition procédé de règlement comptable entre deux ou plusieurs parties qui permet de limiter l'utilisation des moyens de paiement au règlement du solde net
Terminus compensation de dettes et créances
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)

de
Terminus Kompensation der Verbindlichkeiten und Forderungen
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)

en
Terminus offsetting of debts and claims
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)
http://iate.europa.eu/iatediff/SearchByQuery.do?method=searc... de créances&sourceLanguage=fr&domain=0&matching=&start=0&next=1&targetLanguages=de&targetLanguages=en&targetLanguages=fr

4.
fr
Terminus prestation dispensée en nature
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)
Terminus avantage en nature
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)
Terminus rémunération en nature
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)
Terminus prestation en nature
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)

de
Terminus Sachbezug
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)
Terminus geldwerte Leistung
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)
Terminus Sachleistung
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)
Terminus Naturalvergütung
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)

en
Terminus payment in kind
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)
Terminus benefit in kind
Zuverlässigkeit 1 (Zuverlässigkeit nicht überprüft)
http://iate.europa.eu/iatediff/SearchByQuery.do?method=searc... en nature&sourceLanguage=fr&domain=0&matching=&start=0&next=1&targetLanguages=de&targetLanguages=en&targetLanguages=fr

5.
fr
Terminus versement supplémentaire
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)

de
Terminus zusätzliche Zahlung
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)

en
Terminus additional payment
Zuverlässigkeit 3 (Zuverlässig)
http://iate.europa.eu/iatediff/SearchByQuery.do?method=searc... supplémentaire&sourceLanguage=fr&domain=0&matching=&start=0&next=1&targetLanguages=de&targetLanguages=en&targetLanguages=fr

Johannes Gleim
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 4

Note to reference poster

Asker: Thank you very much, Johannes. This is very thorough and very helpful! Laura

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