trouver des échos au

English translation: A similar relationship exists with Japan

12:11 Dec 19, 2010

French to English translations [PRO]
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French term or phrase: trouver des échos au

I'm translating a text about the history of Brazilian cinema and this phrase has me stumped.

Depuis que l’invention d’Edison et des Lumière est arrivée à Rio de Janeiro, le cinéma a été une expression de la relation triangulaire sans cesse entretenue par la culture brésilienne avec l’Europe et les Etats-Unis.....

....Le triangle transatlantique **trouve des échos au Japon**, dont les films passionnent les cinéphiles brésiliens qui profitent de l’existence d’une forte communauté nippone à Sao Paulo.

I'm not sure if this means that Japanese films emulated the films being made by the transatlantic triangle, or if it mean that the films being made by the transatlantic triangle focused on Japan...or something else. This is the only sentence in the entire text which refers to Japan and it doesn't give specific dates for this period in Brazilian film history so hard to look up online for further clues.

I have found other entries for "faire echo a" elsewhere in Kudoz, but this expression seems to have a different meaning.

Clare Hogg KudoZ activity Questions: 154 (6 open) (1 without valid answers) (11 closed without grading) Answers: 62 Spain
Local time: 11:04

English translation:A similar relationship exists with Japan

Explanation:
Just back from xmas hols, so posting as requested...

Selected response from:

Philippa Smith
Local time: 11:04

Grading comment

Thanks for your explanation and translation, which I went with as conveys the meaning while sounding very English.
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4 +1

Philippa Smith

be echoed/mirrored by

cc in nyc

find echoes in

Gad Kohenov

find resonance in

Verginia Ophof

found itself in Japan (same cinematic relationship found between Japan and Brazil as in the T.T.)

MatthewLaSon

Discussion entries: 8

Yvonne Gallagher

Ireland

00:11 Dec 20, 2010

I will give Philippa an agree. That's the way I read it as well

Clare Hogg

Spain

ASKER

17:40 Dec 19, 2010

Bourth, Gilla and especially Phillippa, I think you´ve hit the nail on the head. I understand what this phrase is getting at now! Philippa, can you submit your translation, "A similar relationship exists with Japan" as an Answer so I can award points to you later on? Thank you all very much!!!

cc in nyc

@ Bourth & Gilla Evans

15:07 Dec 19, 2010

"Triangle" is not part of the target term that I provided; it appears – in brackets – as part of the Explanation I provided. If there are only two countries in the second relationship (or if the US is not part of it), then the bracketed phrase might be omitted. I trust that the Asker, having the full context, will know what to do with it.
Also the text is not a description of geometric congruence, but a review of Brazilian and world cinema.

Evans (X)

ménage à deux

14:39 Dec 19, 2010

I agree that the third point of the alleged triangle is missing from your text, so there are only echoes of the Brazil-US-Europe triangle in the 2-way Brazil-Japan cinematic relationship. If your text had not thrown in the "triangle" word I don't think you would have had a problem.

Bourth (X)

Yes, "There is some similarity between

14:06 Dec 19, 2010

this triangle and the situation regarding Japan".
What they seem to be saying that while there is a Brazil-USA-Europe relationship vis-à-vis cinema, there is a similar triangle with Brazil and Japan ..... however they do not make it clear who the third point in this triangle is. So it's not a "mirror", until such time as they name the third party, just a similarity in the way Brazil looks towards Japanese cinema.

Philippa Smith

12:33 Dec 19, 2010

I think it's simply saying that the relationship Brazil has with Europe and the US in terms of cultural influence, what they are calling the transatlantic triangle, Brazil (= Brazilian film lovers) also has with Japan: Japanese films are very popular, in the same way as European and US films. So you could render it in lots of different ways, such as, "A similar relationship exists with Japan" - or something prettier!! Hope this helps.

hirselina

12:23 Dec 19, 2010

The meaning of the French sentence is not clear at all. It could also mean that Japan has a similar "triangular" relationship to American and European movies.

writeaway

what meanings/translations

12:13 Dec 19, 2010

have already been rejected as unsuitable?

Answers

1 hr confidence:

find echoes in

Explanation:
find + echo in
(v.) = encontrar eco en, hallar eco en
Ex: Many of the views of the public librarians surveyed here find echoes in prescriptive studies about the advantages of weeding.

English > Spanish in Babylon.

Gad Kohenov
Israel
Local time: 12:04
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Native speaker of:

French,

Hebrew
PRO pts in category: 4

1 hr confidence:

be echoed/mirrored by

Explanation:
I might translate "Le triangle transatlantique trouve des échos au Japon" as "The transatlantic triangle is mirrored [by one] in the Pacific with Japan."

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-12-19 14:04:41 GMT)
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I should have put "by one in the Pacific" all within the brackets.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-12-19 15:44:06 GMT)
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An alternate, though related idea: transpose the definition already in Proz to obtain "is reflected by (or with)."
(See http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/cinema_film_tv_d... )

cc in nyc
Local time: 05:04
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 153

5 hrs confidence:

find resonance in

Explanation:
finds resonance in Japan

Example sentence(s):

of the Frankfurt-school type of critique, finds little resonance in Japan.
UCLA Psychology Study finds Resonance with Buddhist Teachings

Reference: http://www.international.ucla.edu/buddhist/article.asp?paren...
Reference: http://www.livemint.com/2010/09/19222819/Digital-content-mov...

Verginia Ophof
Belize
Local time: 03:04
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 53

5 hrs confidence:

found itself in Japan (same cinematic relationship found between Japan and Brazil as in the T.T.)

Explanation:
Hello,

They might mean that the "Triangle Transatlantique" found itself in Japan, in the sense that Japanese films inspire Brazilians. There may not be "three" places involved like in the original one, but that the same "cinematic relationship" in the "Triangle Transatlantique" was established between Brazil and Japan..

I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 05:04
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 145

12 days confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

A similar relationship exists with Japan

Explanation:
Just back from xmas hols, so posting as requested...

Philippa Smith
Local time: 11:04
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 49

Grading comment

Thanks for your explanation and translation, which I went with as conveys the meaning while sounding very English.

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