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Ceux dits de l’opposition

English translation: Members of the Opposition

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French term or phrase:Ceux dits de l’opposition
English translation:Members of the Opposition
Entered by: Neil Rear

13:14 May 7, 2004
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Government / Politics
French term or phrase: Ceux dits de l’opposition
Ceux dits de l’opposition ont peine à se mouvoir librement et n’ont pratiquement pas accès aux médias qui demeurent toujours
Neil Rear
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:40
Members of the Opposition
Explanation:
Or maybe: members of opposition parties. More vaguely, those belonging to opposition parties; perhaps those loyal to opposition parties. It's that sort of thing.

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Note added at 6 mins (2004-05-07 13:20:31 GMT)
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Here I would say something like: \"Members of opposition parties have very little freedom of movement and have virtually no access to the media that are left.
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Rowan Morrell
New Zealand
Local time: 21:40
Grading comment
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4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +3Those said to belong to the opposition
Emérentienne
5 +1Those who are called the opposition
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
4 +2the would be opponents/opposition
RHELLER
4Members of the Opposition
Rowan Morrell
4 -1The so-called opposition
CMJ_Trans (X)


  

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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Ceux dits de l’opposition
Members of the Opposition


Explanation:
Or maybe: members of opposition parties. More vaguely, those belonging to opposition parties; perhaps those loyal to opposition parties. It's that sort of thing.

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Note added at 6 mins (2004-05-07 13:20:31 GMT)
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Here I would say something like: \"Members of opposition parties have very little freedom of movement and have virtually no access to the media that are left.

Rowan Morrell
New Zealand
Local time: 21:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Ceux dits de l’opposition
Those said to belong to the opposition


Explanation:
Those considered to be from the opposition party

Emérentienne
France
Local time: 11:40
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 11

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Stephanie Mitchel
16 mins
  -> merci
agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
22 mins
  -> merci
neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): this is a contresens...not said to belong..said to be
1 hr
  -> un contresens ?! Non, Jane.
neutral  writeaway: it does put whether or not they are the opposition into doubt; said to be, but are they really, is the connotation in English
2 hrs
  -> yes, I hear this connotation in French too : implying that people are in the oppostion as a means used by the ruling party to impose their authority on people (wether or not the people really are in the opposition)
agree  Hacene
3 hrs
  -> merci
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
The so-called opposition


Explanation:
Those said to be part of the opposition find it difficult to move about freely and have virtually no access to what media since remain

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Note added at 2004-05-07 13:29:49 (GMT)
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media STILL remain - sorry!

CMJ_Trans (X)
Local time: 11:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 184

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Richard Nice: "so-called" tends to be pejorative whereas "dits" is neutral?
4 mins
  -> not always - bad mood - it is Friday or the rain that gets to you?
neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): so called is soi-disant, la soi-disant opposition
1 hr
  -> I admit I hesitated but thought in the end that it would pass muster....
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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Ceux dits de l’opposition
Those who are called the opposition


Explanation:
dietic pronoun + past participle of dire [dit, dits, dites] + Pronoun...are/is called...or said to be

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Note added at 1 hr 26 mins (2004-05-07 14:40:34 GMT)
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This is not so easy but the meaning of ceux dits de l\'opposition is

FINAL: Those who are called members of the opposition...rather than those who are said to belong.....

said to belong would be: Ceux que l\'on dit appartenir.....

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 77

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Emérentienne: ça ne rend pas bien compte de la nuance "...dits de..."
2 mins
  -> dits de c'est: who are called OR what is called...
neutral  paleozon: You can do better, Jane!
26 mins
agree  truptee: "Those who are called members of the opposition"
1 hr
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Ceux dits de l’opposition
the would be opponents/opposition


Explanation:
the apparent opposition
those from the opposing/opposition party
any declared members of the opposition


RHELLER
United States
Local time: 03:40
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 14

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): Now that's really good...:) the first would be
1 hr
  -> thanks Jane!
agree  roneill: There is definitely the idea of having declared allegiance to the opposition. This gets closest in English, I think.
2 hrs
  -> merci Ronat!
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