cadre supérieur hors position

10:27 Apr 12, 2005
French to English translations [Non-PRO]
Human Resources
French term or phrase: cadre supérieur hors position
Mr X has been hired in the capacity of deputy sales director "statut cadre supérieur hors position". I understand that he is a senior executive, but it's the "hors position" that I've never heard of. Thanks for any input.
Sarah


Summary of answers provided
4 +1not on the strength
kelime
5secunded
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
4excluded management position
Patrice
2'without portfolio'?
Kim Sanderson


  

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cadre supérieur hors position
'without portfolio'?


Explanation:
My hunch is that the 'hors position' relates to the fact that some places employ people at a certain level (the sales manager bit) to work on whatever the latest/most urgent project/area is. With ministers, you get 'ministers without portfolio', i.e. they haven't been permanently allocated a specific responsibility.

Kim Sanderson
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:39
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Used "non classified senior executive status"
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
cadre supérieur hors position
secunded


Explanation:
secunded from the civil service:

Position
hors cadre

Sommaire


Loi n°84-16 du 11/01/84 (art. 49) modifiée par la Loi n°91-715 du 26/07/91 (art. 5-VIII)
Décret 85-986 du 16/09/85 modifié par le décret 93-1052 du 01/09/93


Définition

la position hors cadre est celle dans laquelle un fonctionnaire remplissant les conditions pour être détaché auprès d'une administration ou d'une entreprise publique (ou détaché auprès d'organismes internationaux) peut être placé sur sa demande, pour servir dans cette administration ou entreprise (ou dans cet organisme).


Conditions

- demande de mise hors cadre par le fonctionnaire. Elle ne peut être décidée d'office.
- le fonctionnaire doit compter au moins 15 ans de services effectifs civils et militaires ou de service national valables pour la constitution du droit à pension et remplissant les conditions pour être détaché :

- soit auprès d'une entreprise publique.
- soit auprès d'une administration dans un emploi ne conduisant pas à pension du régime général des retraites.
- soit auprès d'un organisme international.

Toutefois, par dérogation aux dispositions susmentionnées..

I was confused with Hors something else...this is secundment...


it's a cadre détaché....secunded senior executive....


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Note added at 6 hrs 33 mins (2005-04-12 17:01:30 GMT)
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Final: secunded

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
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cadre supérieur hors position
excluded management position


Explanation:
If the workers at the organization are unionized, this suggestion might make sense. Management is generally excluded from union membership.

Patrice
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
cadre supérieur hors position
not on the strength


Explanation:
I found "cadre hors position" : not on the strength (Le Robert & Collins dictionary)

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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs 18 mins (2005-04-13 14:45:46 GMT)
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not on the strength means : detached, seconded (not belonging to permanent staff)

kelime
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agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
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  -> thank you Vicky

neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): not on the strength makes no sense at all..what does it mean?
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