matériellement vérifiables

English translation: based on verifiable facts

15:22 Nov 22, 2013

French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)

French term or phrase: matériellement vérifiables

This is taken from a court of cassation decision on the content of letters of dismissal:

"Les griefs contenus dans le courrier de licenciement doivent être précis et matériellement vérifiables".

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Jane RM KudoZ activity Questions: 508 (9 open) (13 without valid answers) (35 closed without grading) Answers: 256 France
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English translation:based on verifiable facts

Explanation:
The French is not very logical: it is not the grievances that should be verifiable, but the facts on which they are based.

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Tim Webb
France
Local time: 16:34

Grading comment

perfect, thanks
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +6

based on verifiable facts

Tim Webb

4 +2

physically verifiable

James Emery

Answers

45 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +6

based on verifiable facts

Explanation:
The French is not very logical: it is not the grievances that should be verifiable, but the facts on which they are based.

Example sentence(s):

That Mr. Laber’s conclusions were not <b>based on verifiable facts</b> may have been colored by his eagerness to terminate Mr. Hare’s employment rather than by findings of fact after a reasonable investigation

Reference: http://mn.gov/bms/documents/awards/20120521%20CHS.pdf

Tim Webb
France
Local time: 16:34
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 67

Grading comment

perfect, thanks

22 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

physically verifiable

Explanation:
14,000 results on google for this, and would appear to make sense.

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-11-22 17:18:11 GMT)
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How about "there must be hard evidence to support the reasons given for dismissal"..... ?

James Emery
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:34
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

writeaway: can you show that one of the 14,000 hits actually backs the translation? it does seemingly make sense but backing an answer in legalese is always a good idea. looking at how the French is used, I have my doubts

7 mins

neutral

mchd: dans ce cas, matériellement ne veut pas dire physiquement// les conséquences d'un manquement (par ex. erreur d'enregistrement de commande) sont des preuves tangibles.

14 mins

-> Compris, mais je vois mal comment il pourrait en être autrement dans ce cas, à moins qu'il s'agisse de fournir des justificatifs écrits...... pas évident quand on doit prouver qu'un acte a été commis ou pas.

agree

philgoddard: I think materially would be slightly better, as in supported by tangible evidence.

1 hr

agree

Yvonne Gallagher: with Phil, and with "hard evidence..."

2 hrs

neutral

Nikki Scott-Despaigne: "Physically verifiable" is not sufficiently legalesy for the context. "Hard evidence" does not necessarily imply first-hand facts, which the original does imply. "Evidence" suggest the existence of facts, the original requires the facts to be verifiable.

19 hrs

neutral

Lorraine Dubuc: on parle davantage de preuves tangibles 'physically vérifiable' est trop littéral et probablement peu usité.

22 hrs

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