Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
d'y tenir la main
English translation:
to uphold it (the judgement)
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Evelyna Radoslavova
Feb 14, 2002 19:33
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French term
d'y tenir la main
French to English
Law/Patents
"En conséquence, la République française ordonne à tous les huissiers de justice sur ce requis de mettre les présentes à exécution et aux Procureurs Généraux et aux Procureurs de la République près les Tribunaux de grande instance d'y tenir la main."
Merci à l'avance, même pour une simple explication ;-)
Merci à l'avance, même pour une simple explication ;-)
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native in English
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
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(to) uphold it [the judgment]
If this is a standard ending for an enforcement order, and it would appear that you have made a "policy decision" for your translation that you are going to translate the French formula - and in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that here - then here is my thinking on the matter.
Bailiffs are being ordered to enforce the judgment, and the the public prosecutors etc. are being ordered to uphold (abide, adhere to, respect) the judgment.
Enforcement of judgments can be made in so many ways, that identifying the right formula would be a nightmare - write of fieri facias, charging order, sequestration, wrti of possession...
Bailiffs are being ordered to enforce the judgment, and the the public prosecutors etc. are being ordered to uphold (abide, adhere to, respect) the judgment.
Enforcement of judgments can be made in so many ways, that identifying the right formula would be a nightmare - write of fieri facias, charging order, sequestration, wrti of possession...
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monitor//supervise//keep an eye on it//maintain a watching brief
might be clearer with more context?
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Steven Geller
: It is the standard "formule exécutoire" that appears at the end of all judgments.
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to act in support
A guess.
Guy's answer prompted me to wonder if "y tenir la main" isn't related, sort of, to "mettre la main dans la pâte", to hold the bailiff's hand in the action.
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Note added at 2002-02-15 06:31:41 (GMT)
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From Le Dictionnaire de l\'Académie Française, first edition, 1694
\"On dit, Tenir l\'oeil, tenir la main à quelque chose, pour dire, Prendre garde à quelque chose, avoir soin que quelque
chose se fasse comme il faut. Ne vous mettez pas en peine, je tiendray l\'oeil à cela. je vous responds que la chose
se fera, je me charge d\'y tenir la main.\"
http://encyclopedie.inalf.fr/cgi-bin/ACAD1694.sh?WORD=TENIR
So Guy Bray\'s proposal seems to come the closest to it.
See also:
http://warrenclan.org/jacques.html
for similar language used otherwise. Search for the phrase. The Court ordered Mr. Billaudeau to maintain a firm watch over his wife with this phrase.
Guy's answer prompted me to wonder if "y tenir la main" isn't related, sort of, to "mettre la main dans la pâte", to hold the bailiff's hand in the action.
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Note added at 2002-02-15 06:31:41 (GMT)
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From Le Dictionnaire de l\'Académie Française, first edition, 1694
\"On dit, Tenir l\'oeil, tenir la main à quelque chose, pour dire, Prendre garde à quelque chose, avoir soin que quelque
chose se fasse comme il faut. Ne vous mettez pas en peine, je tiendray l\'oeil à cela. je vous responds que la chose
se fera, je me charge d\'y tenir la main.\"
http://encyclopedie.inalf.fr/cgi-bin/ACAD1694.sh?WORD=TENIR
So Guy Bray\'s proposal seems to come the closest to it.
See also:
http://warrenclan.org/jacques.html
for similar language used otherwise. Search for the phrase. The Court ordered Mr. Billaudeau to maintain a firm watch over his wife with this phrase.
Peer comment(s):
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Steven Geller
: It is the standard "formule exécutoire" that appears at the end of all judgments. Do you really think that the Garde des Sceaux touches pâte ? :-))))
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I don't think the Garde plays in dough. If you took the time to read what I wrote, you'd notice I said "related, sort of, to". Can you tell the difference between a metaphor and reality? Moreover, you still haven't proposed a solution for the query.
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Steven Geller
Works in: French to English, English to French, English, and 1 more.
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Formule exécutoire
This is called a "Formule Executoire"
This mandatory language at the end of judgments serves to order that they be executed.
It is like saying this in English... (in the UK)
In witness whereof We the said Garter Clarenceux and Norroy and Ulster Kings of Arms have to these Presents subscribed Our names and affixed the Seals of Our several offices this Sixth day of August in the Forty-fifth year of the Reign of Our Sovereign Lady Elisabeth the Second by the grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith in the year of Our Lord One thousand nine hundred and ninety-six.
or this
In Witness Whereof We have caused Our Great Seal to be affixed to these Presents, which We have signed with Our Royal Hand.
Given at our Court of Saint James's the Twenty-First day of February in the Year of Our Lord One thousand Nine hundred and Ninety-two and in the Foty-first Year of Our Reign."
If you want to translate it into English, then start with
IN WITNESS WHEREOF and go on from there...
This mandatory language at the end of judgments serves to order that they be executed.
It is like saying this in English... (in the UK)
In witness whereof We the said Garter Clarenceux and Norroy and Ulster Kings of Arms have to these Presents subscribed Our names and affixed the Seals of Our several offices this Sixth day of August in the Forty-fifth year of the Reign of Our Sovereign Lady Elisabeth the Second by the grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith in the year of Our Lord One thousand nine hundred and ninety-six.
or this
In Witness Whereof We have caused Our Great Seal to be affixed to these Presents, which We have signed with Our Royal Hand.
Given at our Court of Saint James's the Twenty-First day of February in the Year of Our Lord One thousand Nine hundred and Ninety-two and in the Foty-first Year of Our Reign."
If you want to translate it into English, then start with
IN WITNESS WHEREOF and go on from there...
Peer comment(s):
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cheungmo
: And what translation do you propose for this? "d'y tenir la main" in particular?
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If it was not clear to you, Pierre, I explained that "d'y tenir la main" in this context cannot be translated by itself. It is part of something akin to Veuillez agréer Monsieur le Traducteur et Cher Ami" and "Yours sincerely,".
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under the supervision of the Public and the State Prosecutors
of the Court...
While it's true that this is an executory order, each one has a sense that has to be approximated in a rendering.
While it's true that this is an executory order, each one has a sense that has to be approximated in a rendering.
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to observe or withold
I agree that it's a formule exécutoire, but I also agree that each one has it's meaning. I don't know the strict legal term in British but I think it's the sort of legal equivalent to the laymans de s'y tenir. Means that they are bound to withold it.Hope that makes sense.
Peer comment(s):
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Pierre POUSSIN
: it does!
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Steven Geller
: it means just the opposite.. that they are bound to enforce or UPhold it. -- what you are proposing is the exact opposite. Sorry.
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to render service( to the ruling/law/decree/judgement etc)
here d'y tenir main means to help to aide a ruling, judgement or law. Its is an obligation carried out by the military, justice or state officials to see that a ruling law or judgement is carried out.
Good Luck its a tricky one
Good Luck its a tricky one
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