démarches personnalisées

English translation: carry out the procedures specific to your account

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French term or phrase:	démarches personnalisées
English translation:	carry out the procedures specific to your account
Entered by:	pooja_chic

16:26 May 27, 2012

French to English translations [PRO]
Law: Taxation & Customs

French term or phrase: démarches personnalisées

Par internet : pour consulter votre situation ﬁscale. réaliser des démarches personnalisées ou payer

pooja_chic

carry out needs specific to your tax situation

Explanation:
Hello,

I would say "specific tax situation" for "personnalisées" sound it sounds more like natural English. I would avoid "individualized" or "personalized".

démarches = steps = needs specific (get help, file, etc)

I hope this helps.

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MatthewLaSon
Local time: 20:37

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Summary of answers provided

taxation procedures for individuals

S Kelly

individual queries

Daryo

3 +1

personalized tax procedures

Nikki Scott-Despaigne

consult your tax account online, *carry out any needs specific to your account*, or simply pay

MatthewLaSon

customized procedures

Tristan Jimenez

update your personal situation

katsy

carry out needs specific to your tax situation

MatthewLaSon

Discussion entries: 7

Answers

1 hr confidence:

update your personal situation

Explanation:
rather far from your original perhaps... I had a look on British Inland revenue site, and they list all the things you can do, but do not give a title for it
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk
and I just wondered if 'update' might just take in "démarches" (like applying for tax relief, or changing your method of payment...)

katsy
Local time: 02:37
Native speaker of:

English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Kelly Harrison: I would be inclined to agree, but am not one hundred per cent sure..

32 mins

-> thanks Kelly :-) as you see I'm not too sure myself!

neutral

Nikki Scott-Despaigne: You can check out all sorts of information about your tax situation without updating it. A "démarche" is something that you do, that you undertake, a procedure. It might involve/include update, but it is not a synonym for it.//More familiar style for UK!

1 hr

-> indeed, Nikki.. hence my low confidence rating. The UK Inland Revenue site, for what could be "démarche" is headed "I want to...." and you click on the appropriate thing. Is this the 'classic' case of the French having a word for it .. (and not us)?!

disagree

SafeTex: sorry but I think that would be "modifier/mettre à jour votre profil"

4 hrs

-> thanks for your comment SafeTex - as you see, low confidence level; I think Nikki's answer is better

neutral

Daryo: "update your personal situation" is one thing you could do when you do a "démarche personnalisée", but it's not a "démarche personnalisée" in itself. You could also do it by a "démarche personnelle"

10 hrs

-> Thanks for your remark Daryo - as you see, low confidence level, and I think Nikki's answer is better

22 mins confidence:

customized procedures

Explanation:
A suggestion.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-05-27 19:20:49 GMT)
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Nikki's answer includes the term 'tax'. I could have suggested 'customized tax procedures', but it is tax related anyway, so I don't think it's useful to add it here.. However there are quite a few hits on the Internet with 'tax procedures', like Katsy said..

Tristan Jimenez
France
Local time: 02:37
Native speaker of: French

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, I have translated this only ...I was looking for some better.(:

3 hrs confidence:

taxation procedures for individuals

Explanation:
or income tax procedures for individuals

see reference for confirmatio of usage

Reference: http://www.liverpool.anglican.org/userfiles/file/Resources/T...

S Kelly
Local time: 01:37
Native speaker of:

English

10 hrs confidence:

individual queries

Explanation:
"D'effectuer des démarches personnalisées en ligne grâce à un code famille et à un mot de passe personnel (communiqués par courriel sur simple demande ..." (http://avrille.espace-famille.net/avrille/index.do)

"démarches personnalisées" seems to mean the online equivalent of "démarche personnelle" i.e. the computer at other end know who is connected, i.e. deals with a named individual, not with a member of the public in general.

"We will answer individual queries from taxpayers." (http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/downloadFile...

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:37
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 23

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

personalized tax procedures

Explanation:
I like "procedures" here for "démarches". It accurately describes what this is about : who, what, where, when and how for anything relating to taxation.
The "personalisé" idea just means about oneself.
Including the word "taxation" or "tax" may not be necessary.

Not sure that this turn of phrase has much of a ring to it but never mind. This phrase appears on income tax return forms. Here's an example. Quite worrying acutally. Found this on the internet; it is recent and looks real. If the person exists, does she realize her tax return is accessible?

http://www.ile-ceylan.com/denise/IR2011/IR-Avis-1-2011-11940...

« Par internet : impots.gouv.fr, pour consulter votre situation fiscale, réaliser des démarches personnalisées ou payer »

http://www.impots.gouv.fr/portal/dgi/home

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Note added at 2 hrs (2012-05-27 19:02:45 GMT)
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"Taxation formalities" may be better.

See how "démarches" are used here :

http://www.service-public.fr/agenda/

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Note added at 4 hrs (2012-05-27 20:57:45 GMT)
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I also think the "personalized" thing sounds odd but it is there in the original.
Maybe "your tax procedures" might take care of the individual, personalized idea.

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Note added at 15 hrs (2012-05-28 08:02:48 GMT)
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If this does come from an Avis d'Imposition, then the full text is :

"Pour vous renseigner
Par internet : impots.gouv.fr, pour consulter votre situation fiscale, réaliser des DEMARCHES PERSONNALISEES ou payer.
Par téléphone : Votre centre des finances publiques pour toute démarche personnelle (coordonnées ci-dessous).
Le centre impôts service, pour des renseignements généraux : 0810 IMPOTS (0810 46 76 87)*
* Coût d'un appel local à partir d'un poste fixe depuis la France métropolitaine et les départements d'outre-mer, hors éventuel surcoût de votre opérateur.
Sur place : Votre centre des finances publiques, pour obtenir les renseignements et documents fiscaux, effectuer vos réclamations et poser toutes vos questions sur le paiement ou sur le montant de votre impôt."

It is rather specifically relating to things such as filling in your tax returns online, making modifications to your situation.

I read the "personalized" idea as being "your". I agree that "individualized" is more natural in English for this. However, it is not really in relation to queries. We run into the same problem with "queries" as with "update". Both are potentially included in "démarches" but not to the exclusion of all else; certainly not to the exclusion of the main idea of being able to do-it-yourself. That's it! It's the DIY part of the thing. BUt how to say it?

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Note added at 15 hrs (2012-05-28 08:09:31 GMT)
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"Personnalisé" could be replaced by "vous concernant". Maybe, oddly enough, IGNORING any indea of translating "personnalisé" might just do the trick. After all, "your" precedes; it is obvious it is adressed to the individual. (Also a sneaky way of avoiding the your/personalzed/individual problem, no?)

".. consult your tax situation, effect formalities and procedures or pay"

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Note added at 15 hrs (2012-05-28 08:11:31 GMT)
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The above text, by the way, appears of tax return and on various notices of all sorts relating to taxation, income, land...

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 02:37
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 27

Notes to answerer

Asker: Yes Nikki, it is the same context (the french text you mentioned.."Pour vous renseigner Par internet : impots.gouv.fr, pour consulter votre situation fiscale, réaliser des DEMARCHES PERSONNALISEES ou payer. Par téléphone : Votre centre des finances publiques pour toute démarche personnelle (coordonnées ci-dessous). Le centre impôts service, .......

1 day 30 mins confidence:

carry out needs specific to your tax situation

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 20:37
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 17

Grading comment

Thanks

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks Matthew, though I have followed your answer with little amendment as I like to use procedures.

4 days confidence:

consult your tax account online, *carry out any needs specific to your account*, or simply pay

Explanation:
Hello,

This is a vague term in French, and, as you already know, literally means "personal steps" (taking action with regard to your specific tax situation: queries, collecting information, making tax calculations online, etc).

The problem is, is that the literal translation above sounds very awkward in English. So I believe that we'd more naturally say "carry out any personal (tax) needs".

So then we'd have: consult your tax account online, carry out any tax personal tax needs, or simply pay.

I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 20:37
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 17

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