Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
la quarte forte
English translation:
the major fourth
Added to glossary by
vivan steemers
May 16, 2002 22:41
22 yrs ago
French term
United States
la quarte forte
French to English
Art/Literary
Music
music
"Accordez l'octave 10 la-diese-la-diese, sonnez la quarte forte 10 fa-si-bemol;"
about tuning a piano,
thanks!
about tuning a piano,
thanks!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | major fourth |
Victoria Barkoff
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| 4 +1 | the subdominant interval |
5Q
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Proposed translations
1 hr
Victoria Barkoff
Native in English
Specializes in field
English translator/editor for 17 years
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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4
Selected
major fourth
The interval from F to B flat is a major fourth.
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Note added at 2002-05-17 01:19:02 (GMT)
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Some examples:
\"writers on music talk about the normal tuning comprising two tetrachords, ie, a
series of four notes with the lowest and highest separated by a major fourth ...\"
www.pathguy.com/modes.htm
\"songs which were written using a pentatonic melody derived by exclusion of a major fourth and seventh\"
http://jin.jcic.or.jp/access/music/western.html
\"it sounds a major fourth or perfect fifth higher than the other when struck\"
http://www.webone.com.au/~evill/gehennum/music.html
\"a harmony \"reflected\" in canonic fashion a major fourth below the melody.\"
www.lafcat.com/pps/ppstrack.htm
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Note added at 2002-05-17 01:19:02 (GMT)
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Some examples:
\"writers on music talk about the normal tuning comprising two tetrachords, ie, a
series of four notes with the lowest and highest separated by a major fourth ...\"
www.pathguy.com/modes.htm
\"songs which were written using a pentatonic melody derived by exclusion of a major fourth and seventh\"
http://jin.jcic.or.jp/access/music/western.html
\"it sounds a major fourth or perfect fifth higher than the other when struck\"
http://www.webone.com.au/~evill/gehennum/music.html
\"a harmony \"reflected\" in canonic fashion a major fourth below the melody.\"
www.lafcat.com/pps/ppstrack.htm
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks!"
+1
12 mins
the subdominant interval
The term 'forte' normally means loud!
Perhaps the phrase refers to the interval between the root (fa='f') and the subdominant (si-bemol=bflat) which would make a subdominant interval here. This would make sense since la-diese is in fact si-bemol from another perspective. Once you have tuned the octave to make sure A sharp is tuned with itself an octave above, check it by cross-referencing the same note as if it were the subdominant of the 'f' scale.
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Note added at 2002-05-16 23:07:51 (GMT)
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I am not a piano tuner, but have seen them at work. As a musician who just about remembers his music theory classes, the above theory would make sense for tuning a piano, and indeed any instrument. Tuning is about cross-referencing notes and testing that tuning through various chords and intervals. Because A sharp is a rarely scored note (only appearing in scales of five flats or more - e.g. B major, a nightmare for violinists!), it would make more sense to test it as b flat in the more common setting of a F scale using the easy-to-recognise interval of a forth between root (f) and subdominant (b). Although I constantly play with French musicians, I still prefer the abstraction of the \'A - G\' scale, as opposed to the \'doe - si\' scale which centers too much around the C scale (only easy for pianists, not for violinists) and makes such mental arithemetic difficult for me. It also reminds me of Julie Andrew\'s performance in the Sound of Music. Anyway, I waffle me thinks. Hope this is a useful insight.
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Note added at 2002-05-16 23:09:57 (GMT)
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P.S. When I say that \'forte\' means loud, I\'m referring to the italian term used in music, not a rather pedestrian translation of the feminine form of fort in French. Here I think it means \'strong\', hence my use of the English term subdominant (of the scale). Ok, I\'ll shut up now!
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Note added at 2002-05-16 23:13:59 (GMT)
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Erratum: \'...appearing in scales of five sharps or more...\'. STOP!
Perhaps the phrase refers to the interval between the root (fa='f') and the subdominant (si-bemol=bflat) which would make a subdominant interval here. This would make sense since la-diese is in fact si-bemol from another perspective. Once you have tuned the octave to make sure A sharp is tuned with itself an octave above, check it by cross-referencing the same note as if it were the subdominant of the 'f' scale.
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Note added at 2002-05-16 23:07:51 (GMT)
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I am not a piano tuner, but have seen them at work. As a musician who just about remembers his music theory classes, the above theory would make sense for tuning a piano, and indeed any instrument. Tuning is about cross-referencing notes and testing that tuning through various chords and intervals. Because A sharp is a rarely scored note (only appearing in scales of five flats or more - e.g. B major, a nightmare for violinists!), it would make more sense to test it as b flat in the more common setting of a F scale using the easy-to-recognise interval of a forth between root (f) and subdominant (b). Although I constantly play with French musicians, I still prefer the abstraction of the \'A - G\' scale, as opposed to the \'doe - si\' scale which centers too much around the C scale (only easy for pianists, not for violinists) and makes such mental arithemetic difficult for me. It also reminds me of Julie Andrew\'s performance in the Sound of Music. Anyway, I waffle me thinks. Hope this is a useful insight.
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Note added at 2002-05-16 23:09:57 (GMT)
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P.S. When I say that \'forte\' means loud, I\'m referring to the italian term used in music, not a rather pedestrian translation of the feminine form of fort in French. Here I think it means \'strong\', hence my use of the English term subdominant (of the scale). Ok, I\'ll shut up now!
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Note added at 2002-05-16 23:13:59 (GMT)
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Erratum: \'...appearing in scales of five sharps or more...\'. STOP!
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