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|Asker: I came across that term but given that they're more in an assistant role, I wan't so sure they would be given the 'honour' of the kill. I can't believe I missed the wiktionary entry, I guess I was looking in all the wrong places!|
Asker: And I'm actually not very aptly named since I'm a vegetarian and not necessarily a hunting proponent! :) Luckily it's just one section in a much longer document, but one that has taken me quite a while since I know nothing about hunting...
Asker: Thanks again for your suggestion Phil, I ended up going for huntsman in this case, but I think whipper-in can also work in some situations.
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Although in ordinary parlance "hunstman" is anyone who hunts, in hunting jargon it has a particular meaning and is the closest equivalent to the piqueur. A whipper-in, on the other hand, is an assistant to the huntsman whose job is to keep the hounds to the task. It's a lowlier position than the piqueur; there is only one piqueur, and he is in charge, just like the huntsman.
First, according to the hunt sabs (who generally know what they're talking about) these roles are the same in stag hunting as in fox hunting:
"Officials and Hunt Servants
The Master, Huntsman and Whipper in perform the same functions as in fox hunts. A man complete with shotgun is in attendance."
The piqueur leads the hunt. The Trésor definition you've quoted says that he "conduit la meute".
"Huntsman. The man who hunts the hounds. There is only one huntsman on the hunting field, and he has absolute right of way at all times"
"Whipper-in. The person who helps the huntsman control the hounds. This person has right of way at all times and will only give way to the Huntsman. He may be a professional or an amateur"
http://www.osbwk.co.uk/glossary of terms.htm
There are many other glossaries available that give the same definitions.
As I say, the piqueur (there is only one) is the man in charge, like the hunstman:
"Piqueur (on dit piqueux). Valet à cheval qui a la responsabilité de l'équipage de chasse à courre."
Here's an article from Country Life about some British hunting folk on a French hunt, who are struck by the fact that everything seems different:
"There is no field master or whipper-in — everyone is responsible for reporting back to the master. ‘Everyone is a whipper-in,’ Bamberger explains to me afterwards, ‘Even the foot followers’. Hounds are often cared for by a ‘valet de chien’ and controlled by the master when hunting. But the Rallye Varéna and Rallye Croquant share the luxury of a full time ‘piqueur’, a figure who exercises the hounds and with an expert knowledge of the local landscape, leads them while hunting. The role of ‘piqueur’ is taken very seriously and requires intense training.
Read more at http://www.countrylife.co.uk/articles/vive-la-chasse-en-fran...
So, as I say, "whipper-in" is much more lowly than "piqueur".
Here's a useful article from Figaro, looking at it from the other side:
"- Huntsman: le piqueur. Muni de la fameuse pibole, il mène les chiens pendant le laisser-courre. Dans le cas de l'équipage de Beaufort, Ian Farquhar, légende vivante de ce milieu, cumule les titres de master of foxhounds et de huntsman.
- Whipper-in: le second. Armé d'un fouet, il assiste le huntsman en veillant à ce que les chiens restent en meute et ne s'égayent pas dans la nature."
By the way, we had a question on this not long ago. Both "huntsman" and "whipper-in" were proposed, but the final conclusion was that "huntsman" is the word, and I think this is right.
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Wiktionary is generally a good dictionary, but no single dictionary is always right.
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|This is what I used, though I think whipper-in could apply in some cases. I think huntsman works best here though. Thanks again!|
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|Asker: Once again you've come through with some great resources! Thanks for confirming my sense that the whipper-in is more of a lowly role. It does seem like huntsman is more appropriate here. And thanks for sharing that other thread, would never have thought to look under "piqueux"! |
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