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French term or phrase:propriétaire
English translation:Businessperson
Entered by: Andrew Bruch
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16:59 Aug 3, 2006
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Law/Patents - Government / Politics / Registrar for Births, Marriages, and Deaths
French term or phrase: propriétaire
From a Hatian death certificate... each party - the deceased, witnesses, and declarant - is described as being a "propriétaire" in addition to residing and domiciled in a given place. as in "le comparant" ........[space for person's name] "propriétaire, demeurant, et domicilé à" [space for city]....
It would appear that every Haitian citizen is a propriétaire, so what are they? or do only property owners get to have death certificates?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Andrew Bruch
Local time: 23:37

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4the concerned
nnaemeka Odimegwu
3 +1(property) owner
1citizen (identity card holder) - nfg
Jeffrey Lewis
Tony M

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(property) owner

Mostly a guess. But I can't see how else you could say it.

United States
Local time: 23:37
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agree  Dr Sue Levy: landowner - seems like a very old designation - fascinating document here http://www.agh.qc.ca/articles/?id=68
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Presumably, as distinct from 'tenant'

Tony M
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the concerned

i think they mean the concerned parties in the registration of the death, the deceased inclusive

nnaemeka Odimegwu
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citizen (identity card holder) - nfg

This really is a guess. It's hard to imagine a society in which the majority of people are literally unknown, in the sense in which civil society confers an identity upon citizens (and in the original meaning of citizenship). If the dead person had not had an official identity card, it's possible that no official death certificate could have been issued, because there would be no way, in bureaucratic terms, to verify the deceased's identity. Similarly, the witnesses, etc., cannot play a role in the bureaucratic process without a card. And pursuing this train of thought - an identity card might just be a pretty valuable piece of paper - something liable to be stolen, forged, etc. The death certificate serves as much to cancel out that particular ID as for anything else.

It could certainly be the case that all those involved in this case are owners of homes in which they reside. On the other hand, every identity card would have to have some domiciliation information.


Conséquemment, des mesures urgentes doivent être prises pour éliminer la violence et pour assurer la mise de l’avant du processus électoral, sans délais, notamment avec l’achèvement des travaux relatifs au registre civil, ainsi que la facilitation d’autres préparatifs par le Conseil Électoral Provisoire. De plus, la Commission était contente de prendre connaissance du projet de création d’une carte d’identité nationale qui permettra non seulement aux haïtiens de voter, mais leur fournira aussi une carte d’identité pouvant servir à d’autres fins pertinentes, ainsi consacrant le droit de toute personne a une identité.

Note added at 54 mins (2006-08-03 17:54:05 GMT)

Obviously I was influenced by the last line...and, I should say, rather moved. Every person has a right to an identity. But who is the ultimate guarantor of that right?

Jeffrey Lewis
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