DIVORCE POUR RUPTURE DE LA VIE COMMUNE

English translation: divorce on the ground of irretrievable breakdown {based on termination of marital consortium}

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French term or phrase:	DIVORCE POUR RUPTURE DE LA VIE COMMUNE
English translation:	divorce on the ground of irretrievable breakdown {based on termination of marital consortium}
Entered by:	Adrian MM. (X)

10:13 Jul 18, 2005

French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / divorce reforms in France

French term or phrase: DIVORCE POUR RUPTURE DE LA VIE COMMUNE

Apologies in advance for posting a long term (the French are so prolix in their laws!), and for posting several associated terms.

Basically, I'm translating the following paragraph as part of an explanation (for lay readers) of the recently-introduced reforms to the divorce laws in France, and I'm looking for ways to translate the new (and for that matter, the old!) names of the types of divorce. I realize that exact equivalents probably do not exist in English, but what I'm looking for is merely suggested 'explanatory translations'.

Here's the paragraph in question, and I've capitalized the specific titles that are giving me problems:

divorce par consentement mutuel [divorce by mutual consent?]
(ancien divorce sur requête conjointe).
Les conjoints sont d’accord et prévoient les conséquences personnelles et patrimoniales de leur séparation ;

DIVORCE SUR L’ACCEPTATION DU PRINCIPE DE LA RUPTURE DU MARIAGE
(ancien DIVORCE “DEMANDÉ/ACCEPTÉ”).
Les époux sont d’accord sur le principe de la séparation mais pas sur ses conséquences ;

DIVORCE POUR FAUTE qui, comme par le passé, pourra être prononcé aux torts exclusifs ou partagés ;

DIVORCE POUR ALTÉRATION DÉFINITIVE DU LIEN CONJUGAL au bout de 2 ans de séparation
(ancien DIVORCE POUR RUPTURE DE LA VIE COMMUNE).
Seule la cessation de la communauté de vie entre les époux peut aboutir au prononcé du divorce.

Many thanks in advance, for your indulgence, and for any help you can give!

Tony M KudoZ activity Questions: 333 (2 open) (30 closed without grading) Answers: 15219 France
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divorce on the ground of irretrievable breakdown {based on termination of marital consortium}

Explanation:
Divorce or judicial separation terminates matrimonial (AE)/ marital (BE)/ consortium - a tech. term for conjugal relations. The French is mixing up the two and putting the egg before the chicken.

An irretrievable breakdown sometimes called an irremediable breakdown is when the married couple cannot live together at all, usually because one spouse ...

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Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 01:03

Grading comment

Thanks a lot! Helpful terminology, plus a very useful link.

Many thanks to the other answerers too --- sorry I can't thank everyone individually, but I'd NEVER get round to closing my questions if I tried! :-)
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3 +4

separation divorce

Kathryn Strachecky

4 +3

divorce on the ground of irretrievable breakdown {based on termination of marital consortium}

Adrian MM. (X)

divorce for termination of living together

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)

desertion?

CMJ_Trans (X)

divorce because of separation

DocteurPC

Discussion entries: 1

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19 mins confidence:

desertion?

Explanation:
"Unreasonable behaviour" is the most frequent ground for divorce in English ...
To obtain a divorce on this ground English law insists that (a) that the ...
www.terry.co.uk/divorce1.html

The above may help you in all your questions

CMJ_Trans (X)
Local time: 01:03
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 156

Grading comment

Thanks for your suggestion! As it turns out, 'desertion' is not the issue here (that's mentioned separately elsewhere). But I just wanted to use 'decline' in order to thank you personally, and especially for that very helpful link you found for me.

The asker has declined this answer
Comment: Thanks for your suggestion! As it turns out, 'desertion' is not the issue here (that's mentioned separately elsewhere). But I just wanted to use 'decline' in order to thank you personally, and especially for that very helpful link you found for me.

25 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

separation divorce

Explanation:
This is the same for both "divorce pour rupture de la vie commune" and "pour altération définitive du lien conjugal".

Reference: http://www.nlsa.us/public/family/fam1_divorce.htm

Kathryn Strachecky
Local time: 01:03
Native speaker of: English

3 hrs confidence:

divorce for termination of living together

Explanation:
I think there has to be contrast in all of these, right?

maybe here you could put separation in parenthesis..the point is to bring out the linguistic differences to some extent..

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Note added at 3 hrs 24 mins (2005-07-18 13:37:39 GMT)
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Dusty..There is no such thing as equivalents. There is similarity...and there is translation practice

I suggest translation the meaning and then adding notes such as (Translator Note: often translated as \"x\")

Legal translation has to bring across meaning..not set up \"equivalencies\"

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Note added at 4 hrs 46 mins (2005-07-18 15:00:05 GMT)
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Dusty....It uses legal terminology. It compares old to new. All the more reason to translate the ideas as reflected and and use translator notes if need be....Legal document has many ramifications...the \"document de vulagarisation\"..as the French say...

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 610

Grading comment

Thanks, Jane! You've exactly understood my dilemma, and I greatly appreciate your suggestiosn; on this occasion, I chose elements from another answer, which led me to the slickest form of wording I could come up with.

The asker has declined this answer
Comment: Thanks, Jane! You've exactly understood my dilemma, and I greatly appreciate your suggestiosn; on this occasion, I chose elements from another answer, which led me to the slickest form of wording I could come up with.

4 hrs confidence:

divorce because of separation

Explanation:
because of course, a separation does not always lead to a divorce
but may predate it

DocteurPC
Canada
Local time: 19:03
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French,

English
PRO pts in category: 61

7 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

divorce on the ground of irretrievable breakdown {based on termination of marital consortium}

Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 01:03
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 858

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