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droit de présence

English translation: presence fee

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08:37 Aug 26, 2000
French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents
French term or phrase: droit de présence
Draft parntership agreement between two parties, both websites, one of which has all the encessary technical expertise to handle the business of the other, namely online auctioning of goods and services. They are going to set up a new site to carry out this business, hence the new partnership.

The clause in question relates to the financial conditions, que voici :

"X garantit un montant minimum ferme de revenus à Y au titre des prestations objets du présent contrat. Pour la première année d'exécution du contrat, ce DROIT DE PRESENCE est fixé à *** Francs hors taxes".

Obviously the "montant minimum ferme" and "ce droit de présence" are the one and the same. There are cross-references between the parties' existing websites which clearly define advertising rights for X on Y's site and vice versa.

What expression can I use for the "droit de presence"?

Thank you,

Nikki
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 02:06
English translation:presence fee
Explanation:
"Droit de présence" often means the right to be present somewhere. But it also means the fee one is paid for being there. You see this meaning for instance here:
"Tout membre de la Société qu'une maladie obligerait à suspendre toutes ses occupations pendant au moins quinze jours ne perdra que la moitié du droit de présence."

"Tout membre de la Société, qu'à une répétition ou à un Concert, arrive après l'appel, est passible d'une amende d'un
quart de sont droit; celui qui abandonne la séance avant qu'elle soit terminée et sans l'assentiment du chef d'orchestre,
perd entièrement son droit de présence; celui qui manque à un concert ou à une repétition sans prevenir ou sans
expliquer son absence par des motifs reconnus valables par le Comité perdra non seulement son droit de présence, mais
sera passible d'une amende d'un demi-droit."
( http://hector.ucdavis.edu/SdC/Archives/regl911.htm )

This is usually translated by the expression "attendance fee", but this is cyber space and is somewhat different. It seems to me that in this case, firm X pays firm Y for being present on the web and operating there, thereby giving firm X exposure on the web and providing Y with a minimum income. This seems to be confirmed by the following websites:

"Internet Presence Fee. We charge a one-time fee to promote your website. (...) Internet Presence Fee Is $10 Per Page (...) Total Internet Presence Fee Includes: Home page search engine submissions. Home page banner creations and advertisement."
(http://www.ccsites.com/transferhosting.html)

"It was moved and passed that HASD pay for the [yearly web presence fee] needed to secure and maintain a Web Presence Provider for the site for one year. "
(http://www.godless.org/hasd/hnl01.html)

and several others.
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Louise Atfield
Grading comment
Thank you all so much. I have spent quite some time on this one - so have you all. I have also learnt a fair bit more about the hosting of sites, not to mention having bookmarked a couple of sites that I shall no doubt be using in the future.
It was not easy to choose. Some of you pointed out that it is not really a common term in the context, hence the difficulty. I have opted for this one as it sent me down some very useful trails and the term really does explain succintly what it is.
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Summary of answers provided
napresence feeLouise Atfield
naA toughie. Please see below...Heathcliff
naMinimum guaranteed revenue
Luis Luis
naattendance right
Yolanda Broad


  

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49 mins
attendance right


Explanation:
Termium only gives one term:

English:Copyright

attendance right s CORRECT

1988-07-14


    Reference: http://www.termium.com
Yolanda Broad
United States
Local time: 20:06
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 1551

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4 hrs
Minimum guaranteed revenue


Explanation:
This guarantee is being called "the Right of Existence".


Au revoir.

Luis M. Luis

Luis Luis
United States
Local time: 19:06
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in pair: 35

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6 hrs
A toughie. Please see below...


Explanation:
The term "droit de presence" does not appear in any of the legal or business references in my paper library, or per se on the Web. Hence, a direct or literal translation is apparently right out, and we must rely on clues from the context. For example, try this:

"X hereby guarantees a fixed minimum amount of revenue to Y through* the provision of the resources and services that are the subject of this contract. For the first year of the contract, this base fee shall be set at FFF francs, net of tax." *[or "due to," "as a result of," "arising from," etc.]

In other words, X is providing resources and services that will let Y do business. X is also promising that because of these resources and services, Y will receive a certain income, which X is promising will be at least FFF for the first year.

A "feuille de presence" is an (industrial) time sheet, and a "registre de presence" is an attendance sheet (as at a shareholders' or board of directors' meeting). So it seems quite unlikely that the concept of "attendance" is in play here. Rather, the "droit de presence" appears to refer to an amount to which Y is entitled, based on the mere existence (i.e., presence) of the agreed-upon circumstances, or on the simple fact of Y's presence as a party to the contract.

Granted, this interpretation departs from a literal rendering, but it does seem to fit the context. (The term "nominal fee" also comes to mind, but "nominal" has a connotation of "token" or "trivial," which doesn't seem at all the case here.) -- Hope this helps, at least a little!



Heathcliff
United States
Local time: 17:06
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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8 hrs
presence fee


Explanation:
"Droit de présence" often means the right to be present somewhere. But it also means the fee one is paid for being there. You see this meaning for instance here:
"Tout membre de la Société qu'une maladie obligerait à suspendre toutes ses occupations pendant au moins quinze jours ne perdra que la moitié du droit de présence."

"Tout membre de la Société, qu'à une répétition ou à un Concert, arrive après l'appel, est passible d'une amende d'un
quart de sont droit; celui qui abandonne la séance avant qu'elle soit terminée et sans l'assentiment du chef d'orchestre,
perd entièrement son droit de présence; celui qui manque à un concert ou à une repétition sans prevenir ou sans
expliquer son absence par des motifs reconnus valables par le Comité perdra non seulement son droit de présence, mais
sera passible d'une amende d'un demi-droit."
( http://hector.ucdavis.edu/SdC/Archives/regl911.htm )

This is usually translated by the expression "attendance fee", but this is cyber space and is somewhat different. It seems to me that in this case, firm X pays firm Y for being present on the web and operating there, thereby giving firm X exposure on the web and providing Y with a minimum income. This seems to be confirmed by the following websites:

"Internet Presence Fee. We charge a one-time fee to promote your website. (...) Internet Presence Fee Is $10 Per Page (...) Total Internet Presence Fee Includes: Home page search engine submissions. Home page banner creations and advertisement."
(http://www.ccsites.com/transferhosting.html)

"It was moved and passed that HASD pay for the [yearly web presence fee] needed to secure and maintain a Web Presence Provider for the site for one year. "
(http://www.godless.org/hasd/hnl01.html)

and several others.

Louise Atfield
PRO pts in pair: 300
Grading comment
Thank you all so much. I have spent quite some time on this one - so have you all. I have also learnt a fair bit more about the hosting of sites, not to mention having bookmarked a couple of sites that I shall no doubt be using in the future.
It was not easy to choose. Some of you pointed out that it is not really a common term in the context, hence the difficulty. I have opted for this one as it sent me down some very useful trails and the term really does explain succintly what it is.

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