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English translation: specialist advisor

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French term or phrase:sapiteur
English translation:specialist advisor
Entered by: Michele Hansen
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13:42 Apr 25, 2001
French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents
French term or phrase: sapiteur - FR legal
I found a definition for "sapiteur" as an old legal term, "personne qui connaît les localités et que les experts peuvent consulter". Does anyone know what we call this person in English?
Thanks,
Michèle
Michele Hansen
United States
Local time: 17:30
specialist in the field X, specialist advisor, external advisor
Explanation:
A "sapiteur" appears to be the title given to an outside specialist consulted by an expert in the course of his investigations when drawing up a report, when that report requires further advice in a field other than that of the specialist instructed.

In my past experience, I have not come across a specific title for such people in such circumstances. I suspect that expert X who has been instructed and who seeks outside help on a parituclar matter might one day find that his own expertise might also be called upon by expert Y if the context requires.

It looks as though the term is appropriate for any field where an expert seeks outside help to complete his report.

1 - http://www.oxfordinform.com/scl/gandur.shtml

INTRODUCTION TO THE JUDICIARY EXPERTISE IN FRANCE
J. Robert Gandur Expert agrée par la Cour de cassation

A Report on the Meeting of the Franco-British Lawyers Society on 9th May 2000 in London

In the event that the expert takes the advice of someone who is competent in a field outside his own, the opinion of that advisor (who is known in French as a sapiteur) has to be brought in front of the party so that it may be contested. This, of course, is once again, an application of the principle of Contradictoire.

2 - ARTICLE SUR L'EXPERTISE, Titre : L'appel à un sapiteur particulier,
une école d'ingénieurs. Auteur : Jean Raymond Lemaire. ...
www.cnejita.org/TEXTES/ART_002.HTM

3 - ... déontologie, pratique du "métier" d'expert, législation nouvelle, recherche
d'un sapiteur ... On peut imaginer que les experts confirmés se feront une ...
www.revue-experts.com/html/liste-diff.html

4 - ... à l'établissement de soins concerné. Il peut s'adjoindre un médecin sapiteur
spécialiste lorsque les faits dont il est saisi échappent à sa compétence. ...
www.expert-bois.com

5 - ... structures en bois bois,expert,expertise,expert-bois,études,sapitage,sapiteur,expertise
d'assurance,expertise judiciaire Présentation du Cabinet Ingénierie ...
www.expert-bois.com

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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 00:30
Grading comment
Terrific, very thorough, much appreciated!
Michèle
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Summary of answers provided
namarine valuer
Gillian Hargreaves
naexpert-adviserAnnie Robberecht, C. Tr.
naadvisor
Cynthia Brals-Rud
naspecialist in the field X, specialist advisor, external advisor
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
naadvisor
jmleger


  

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28 mins
advisor


Explanation:
In the event that the expert takes the advice of someone who is competent in a field outside his own, the opinion of that advisor (who is known in French as a sapiteur) has to be brought in front of the party so that it may be contested. This, of course, is once again, an application of the principle of Contradictoire.

Quote from Society of Construction Law web site


    Quote from Society of Construction Law web site
jmleger
Local time: 17:30
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32 mins
specialist in the field X, specialist advisor, external advisor


Explanation:
A "sapiteur" appears to be the title given to an outside specialist consulted by an expert in the course of his investigations when drawing up a report, when that report requires further advice in a field other than that of the specialist instructed.

In my past experience, I have not come across a specific title for such people in such circumstances. I suspect that expert X who has been instructed and who seeks outside help on a parituclar matter might one day find that his own expertise might also be called upon by expert Y if the context requires.

It looks as though the term is appropriate for any field where an expert seeks outside help to complete his report.

1 - http://www.oxfordinform.com/scl/gandur.shtml

INTRODUCTION TO THE JUDICIARY EXPERTISE IN FRANCE
J. Robert Gandur Expert agrée par la Cour de cassation

A Report on the Meeting of the Franco-British Lawyers Society on 9th May 2000 in London

In the event that the expert takes the advice of someone who is competent in a field outside his own, the opinion of that advisor (who is known in French as a sapiteur) has to be brought in front of the party so that it may be contested. This, of course, is once again, an application of the principle of Contradictoire.

2 - ARTICLE SUR L'EXPERTISE, Titre : L'appel à un sapiteur particulier,
une école d'ingénieurs. Auteur : Jean Raymond Lemaire. ...
www.cnejita.org/TEXTES/ART_002.HTM

3 - ... déontologie, pratique du "métier" d'expert, législation nouvelle, recherche
d'un sapiteur ... On peut imaginer que les experts confirmés se feront une ...
www.revue-experts.com/html/liste-diff.html

4 - ... à l'établissement de soins concerné. Il peut s'adjoindre un médecin sapiteur
spécialiste lorsque les faits dont il est saisi échappent à sa compétence. ...
www.expert-bois.com

5 - ... structures en bois bois,expert,expertise,expert-bois,études,sapitage,sapiteur,expertise
d'assurance,expertise judiciaire Présentation du Cabinet Ingénierie ...
www.expert-bois.com




    www.oxfordinform.com/scl/gandur.shtml, www.revue-experts.com/html/liste-diff.html
    www.expert-bois.com, www.expert-bois.com,
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 00:30
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 4431
Grading comment
Terrific, very thorough, much appreciated!
Michèle
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34 mins
advisor


Explanation:
Voici LA référence:

In the event that the expert takes the advice of someone who is competent in a field outside his own, the opinion of that advisor (who is known in French as a sapiteur) has to be brought in front of the party so that it may be contested. This, of course, is once again, an application of the principle of Contradictoire.

So goes the process of an expertise, more or less smooth, but with the idea of going deep into necessary details, without stretching the time and money involved, and within a scope of helping the parties to find their way, and eventually to come to an agreement - although an expert is not entitled to promote expressly such an issue.

http://www.oxfordinform.com/scl/gandur.shtml

Bonne chance!


    Reference: http://www.oxfordinform.com/scl/gandur.shtml
Cynthia Brals-Rud
Local time: 00:30
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
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3 hrs
expert-adviser


Explanation:
additional bit of info re: sapiteur:

Contrairement à l'Expert, le Sapiteur n'est pas assermenté. Par contre, il apporte une aide considérable à l'Expert et dans les domaines où ce dernier n'est pas suffisemment compétent pour répondre avec précision aux questions posées par le Juge.

OR [in this particular context]:
Sapiteur: c'est un médecin spécialiste, en l'occurrence dans le cas qui nous intéresse un psychiatre auquel est demandé un avis précis dans le domaine exclusif de sa discipline.

Examples (Internet):
Expert Adviser to the legal profession on causes of road accidents in Great Britain during winter conditions

Expert Adviser to the Kenyan Government on climatic variablility and water resources of the Highlands and Rift Valley regions

the knowledge and reputation of XXXX is such that she also acts as an expert advisor in legal cases concerning copyright infringements





Annie Robberecht, C. Tr.
Local time: 00:30
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
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11 hrs
marine valuer


Explanation:
I believe that in the field of maritime law, this person can be defined as "Expert chargé d'estimer la valeur des marchandises" and translated as above.

Gillian Hargreaves
Local time: 23:30
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