un vésicatoire volant

English translation: "flying" blister

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French term or phrase:	un vésicatoire volant
English translation:	"flying" blister
Entered by:	hkreuter

00:44 Feb 15, 2009

French to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Medical (general) / hand anatomy and ailments

French term or phrase: un vésicatoire volant

used as a treatment for nodes on the flexor tendons of the hand.

hkreuter
United States

repeated blistering poultice

Explanation:
This seems to be an archaic term (and procedure).

Explanation in French
http://books.google.com/books?id=UtGvHyQhFsoC&pg=PA106&lpg=P...

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Here's another old text that sugguest "volant" is brief treatment:
http://books.google.com/books?id=SJ8Verhe9MAC&pg=RA2-PA397&l...

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As a general term, the "vésicatoire" is a revulsive application, or counter-irritant. This book entry gives a good explanation:
http://books.google.com/books?id=TyG3Kovb7sIC&pg=PA277&lpg=P...

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You can also use "vesicatory", "vesicant".

Medicinal and Aromatic Plants XI - Google Books Resultby Y. P. S. Bajaj - Science - 420 pages
The leaves are a medication for dropsy and colic, and are stimulating in baths, also vesicant in cataplasms (Perry 1980). 2 In Vitro Approaches Our report ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=354063911X...

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poultice and cataplasm are synonyms

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Prelude Medicinal Plants Database specialized in Central Africa ...Description: revulsive, rubefacient, vesicatory. 1 reference(s) for Allium sativum L. ..... cataplasm of seeds used to heal H(013) scrofulous ulcers ...
www.metafro.be/prelude/view_symptom?si=H(164) - 164k - Cached - Similar pages

[DOC] History of Medicine & Osteopathy VIIIFile Format: Microsoft Word - View as HTML
One of the favorite remedies of Baglivi, for instance, are vesicatories (blistering cataplasms, such as mustard or cantharis, one of Still’s rare remedies). ...
www.connective.org/connective/word/hom/8.doc - Similar pages

662. Remedy. Mawson, C.O. Sylvester. 1922. Roget’s International ...POULTICE, cataplasm, vesicatory, plaster, emplastrum [L.], epithem, sinapism. compress, pledget; bandage (support) [See Support]. ...
www.bartleby.com/110/662.html

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And for my last word: "flying sinapisms"

B.P. Cataplasma Sinapis. Mustard PoulticeExternally applied for a short time in the form of flying sinapisms, it is also a general stimulant, increasing the force of the circulation. ...
chestofbooks.com/health/materia-medica-drugs/Pharmacology-Therapeutics.../B-P-Cataplasma-Sinapis-Mustard-Poultice.html - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

The American Journal of the Medical Sciences - Google Books Resultby William Merrick Sweet, Southern Society for ... - 1834 - Medicine
Stimulants; flying sinapisms, &c. were all tried in vain. No. XXIX.— November, 1834. 5 Remarks.— Thus this patient was snatched from safety, after he.
books.google.com/books?id=kvoBAAAAYAAJ...

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My last last word - more about "flying":

http://chestofbooks.com/health/materia-medica-drugs/American...

The chief use of cantharides is as a vesicant. It is contra-indicated in nephritis, and when vesication is desired in nephritis, another agent such as ammonia or chloroform should be selected. It may be used to produce redness and counterirritation in quantities not sufficient to blister. When the irritation is carried just to the point of beginning vesication, the result is known as a ***flying blister***. The counterirritation may be rendered continuous by a succession of such "flying" blisters.

Interesting question - thanks :-)

Selected response from:

SJLD
Local time: 16:45

Grading comment

Thanks for the great replies. The blisters may now rest until they are called upon again.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +3

repeated blistering poultice

SJLD

'nodule'

Dr Lofthouse

4 -1

vesicatoria-temporary

Mostafa MOUHIBE

Summary of reference entries provided

volant = temporaire

marie-christine périé

Discussion entries: 14

hkreuter

United States

ASKER

Vesicatoire

14:32 Feb 15, 2009

Thanks, I don't want to keep the 19th Cent. Flavor. I am enjoying the image of watching doctors treat patients in pre-Hemingway Paris.

SJLD	14:19 Feb 15, 2009 If you do post the other questions, can you please give the full French sentence. Also, do you want to keep the 19th Century flavour?

SJLD	14:12 Feb 15, 2009 Great, thanks - the fog has lifted :-)

hkreuter

United States

ASKER

Vesicatoire

13:42 Feb 15, 2009

Text is from 1850s, Paris, hospital. Merci pour vos conseils.

SJLD	08:46 Feb 15, 2009 How old is this text? Is it homeopathic? Historic?

SJLD	08:41 Feb 15, 2009 Please ask all the other questions separately.

hkreuter

United States

ASKER

un vésicatoire volant

04:56 Feb 15, 2009

Encore des detailles.
1) ... la malade est à peu près dans le même état; on lui prescrit un vésicatoire volant dans la paume de la main, au niveau de la nodosité.
Also could use help with:
3) pli digito-palmaire : digital palm fold
4) ... upper end of the (bandelette fibreuse) fibrous band is more pronounced in some patients.
5) ... witnessing the synovial (deporvu de) depleted of fibrous tissue, wrapped only in superficial vertical fibers of l’aponévrose palmaire.

Lionel_M (X)

02:37 Feb 15, 2009

Oh Yes, since I do not understand how you can put "4" in confidence for "nodule". It remains an open discussion w/o more context.

Dr Lofthouse

France

02:29 Feb 15, 2009

'Volant' could mean 'moveable under the skin' - a 'nodule' that can be moved around under the skin - we need some more of the text.

Lionel_M (X)

DR Lofthouse

01:52 Feb 15, 2009

Je ne comprends pas...! "un vésicatoire (volant) est un nom. Onguent, emplatre, taffets....vésicatoire....n'est plus un nominatif !? Ou je ne sais plus parler Français ? Quel rapport avec "nodule" ?

Lionel_M (X)

01:21 Feb 15, 2009

Sorry...Vesicatoire = vesicatory or vesicatoria (as far as I understand) bur "volant" gives me pb too ! "Free hand" ???

Dr Lofthouse

France

00:59 Feb 15, 2009

Is this about a therapy for 'Trigger Finger' therefore?

Dr Lofthouse

France

00:54 Feb 15, 2009

Do you mean 'nodules'?

Lionel_M (X)

00:52 Feb 15, 2009

More context please....?!

Answers

34 mins confidence:

'nodule'

Explanation:
'Vesicatoir' = ( Médecine) Qui fait venir des ampoules, qui détermine le soulèvement de l’épiderme.
Onguent vésicatoire.
Emplâtre vésicatoire.
Taffetas vésicatoire.

BUT: there are different types of nodules (soft, calcified) that can form on the flexor of this tendon I think, and the type indicates the therapy given. Vesicatoire indicates it can be moved under the skin (see above) and is the soft type, but I can't really tell anything more without more of the text.

Hope this helps

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<http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/vésicatoire>

there are a small number of conditios that have 'nodes' (ie nodules) on the flexor of the hand. I think 'node' has been mistranslated. There are no 'nodes' on the flexor as far as I can remember.

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For 'nodules' see eg <http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=18...

Dr Lofthouse
France
Local time: 15:45
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Italian
PRO pts in category: 24

8 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

repeated blistering poultice

SJLD
Local time: 16:45
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 1923

Grading comment

Thanks for the great replies. The blisters may now rest until they are called upon again.

20 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

vesicatoria-temporary

Explanation:
http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/fung-nemat/tcmtb-ziram/...

Mostafa MOUHIBE
Morocco
Local time: 15:45
Native speaker of:

Arabic

Reference comments

8 hrs peer agreement (net): +1

Reference: volant = temporaire

Reference information:
I only translate from English and cannot suggest a translation, but this (old) book:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=KzEUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA143&lpg=PA...

opposes "vésicatoire volant" et "vésicatoire permanent", and I'm pretty sure that's the right idea

marie-christine périé
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 48

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