saveur propre

English translation: its own (intrinsic) value

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French term or phrase:	saveur propre
English translation:	its own (intrinsic) value
Entered by:	suezen

14:25 Sep 22, 2007

French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Philosophy

French term or phrase: saveur propre

Another whopper of a sentence.
I put saveur propre in the title because finding a nice translation for that is one of my issues, but in fact the whole final section from then on is causing me a headache. I'm pretty tired and think I need to take a break from this very dense text. I'll probably see things clearer later, but any suggestions in the meantime would be very helpful.

Very rough attempt:
as an object of desire, it is only ever sought for itself alone, not with an eye to obtaining an advantage.

Repousser le matérialisme est le devoir du savant qui doit pratiquer le détachement, fuir les honneurs et les flatteries nuisibles à la science qu’il recherchera pour sa saveur propre «car objet de désir, elle n’est jamais recherchée que pour elle-même, non en vue de l’obtention d’un avantage.»

French Foodie KudoZ activity Questions: 424 (none open) (8 closed without grading) Answers: 426
Local time: 23:06

its own (intrinsic) value

Explanation:
In other words, the researcher/academic should be detached from wordly goals and work simply for the sake of furthering scientific knowledge

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suezen
Local time: 23:06

Grading comment

Thanks very much everyone for your time and effort - especially on a weekend. I went with intrinsic value and later also used "for its own sake".
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +4

for knowledge's sake

veratek

3 +2

its own (intrinsic) value

suezen

4 +1

own flavour

Kévin Bacquet

4 +1

(for its) inherent savor

siragui

as an end in itself

Carol Gullidge

own benefit/for pleasure's sake

Emma Paulay

sugg

nolemy

Discussion entries: 2

Answers

6 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

its own (intrinsic) value

Explanation:
In other words, the researcher/academic should be detached from wordly goals and work simply for the sake of furthering scientific knowledge

suezen
Local time: 23:06
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

Grading comment

Thanks very much everyone for your time and effort - especially on a weekend. I went with intrinsic value and later also used "for its own sake".

11 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

own flavour

Explanation:
You can also use the word "flavour"...
example : Through Individual Case Studies we provide snapshots of a great many initiatives, each with its own flavour; some personal and small scale, as with many of the individual case studies; some more extensive activities

Reference: http://www.clifton-scientific.org/compendium/intro/foreword....

Kévin Bacquet
France
Local time: 23:06
Native speaker of:

French

23 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

for knowledge's sake

Explanation:
w/o more context, I wasn't clear if the author is advocating "knowledge for knowledge's sake" only, or advancing science (including applied and mundane research, so not just knowledge for knowledge's sake) but without falling into the materialistic and glory-filled ambition trap

veratek
Brazil
Local time: 18:06
Native speaker of:

English

50 mins confidence:

as an end in itself

Explanation:
ie, without any other (ulterior?) motive

Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:06
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

5 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

(for its) inherent savor

Explanation:
Pace GWC-Claire, the eymological link between "savoir" and "saveur" has little bearing on the semantic value of "saveur" which means "taste", in the sense of "flavour" (one in a range) or "pungency", "tastiness" etc. It's a figurative way to express a degree of physical, sensual feeling of attraction to knowledge. Whether it's worth sacrificing this nuance in favour of more pragmatic terms like "interest" or "worth" is your business.

PS: I'm all the more convinced the writer didn't have "knowledge" in mind as an echo meaning since historically it has often been believed that "savoir" came from the Latin "scire" (which is why it was spelt "scavoir" for centuries). The confusion persists today.

siragui
Local time: 23:06
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

7 hrs confidence:

sugg

Explanation:
suggestions..
for its very essence,
for its very flavor..

nolemy
France
Local time: 23:06
Native speaker of:

French

19 hrs confidence:

own benefit/for pleasure's sake

Explanation:
Just a couple more words to throw in!

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Note added at 20 hrs (2007-09-23 10:33:53 GMT)
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Relish? (don't laugh)

Emma Paulay
France
Local time: 23:06
Native speaker of: English

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