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20:55 Feb 23, 2008
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French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Printing & Publishing
French term or phrase: fausse double
This is in a document under the general heading "Les termes techniques de fabrication" relating to printing. There is no context but I found the following explanation in French: "Pages imprimees sur des surfaces qui ne se touchent pas sur une meme feuille et qui se retrouveront l'une en face de l'autre apres brochage" I can see this in my mind when 4 pages are printed on one sheet and when folded two of them form a left-hand and right-hand page but I have no idea of the technical term in English. Any printing experts out there who can help?
Clive Jones
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false double


Explanation:
"Double page spread
A double page spread occurs when an illustration fills two
pages, which can only take place on the centre
pages of a section. Elsewhere it is a ‘false double’."

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-02-23 22:03:44 GMT)
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Google on "false double" + page spread and click "I'm feeling lucky" :-)


    Reference: http://www.chandlers-print.co.uk/new/downloads/glossary.pdf
rkillings
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Asker: Many thanks rkillings. Can it really be as simple as this? I can't get a hit on any search engine with "false double" but your reference is very clear.


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Explanation:
1. <<Pages imprimees sur des surfaces qui ne se touchent pas sur une meme feuille et qui se retrouveront l'une en face de l'autre apres brochage>>.
I'm not sure how to break this down, and can see several possibilities, I think. Not clear.
<<Pages imprimees ... qui ne se touchent pas >>??
<< surfaces qui ne se touchent pas >>??
<<.. qui ne se touchent pas sur une meme feuille>>??
<<Pages imprimees ... sur une meme feuille>>??
<<...des surfaces ... sur une meme feuille>>

Then there is this:
Fausse double-page
Double-page d’un produit imprimé qui ne se compose pas d’une FEUILLE complète, mais de pages de deux feuilles différentes.
Les fausses doubles compliquent le placement des images et des textes placés à cheval sur deux pages.
http://www.multimedialab.be/doc/tech/doc_Johansson_glossaire...

Then there is an illustration of something different here: http://shrfi.com/B10.html

2. < "Double page spread
A double page spread occurs when an illustration fills two pages, which can only take place on the centre pages of a section. Elsewhere it is a ‘false double’.">

If this definition is correct - and I don't think it is; see defs below - we would have to say that French and English analyze these things differently, that while in English all double pages sharing (full-page ?) images (or a text?) across the centre fold or the join are "double-page spreads", those occurring on a folded page are a special case, the "centre spread" (I suppose a "centrefold" is a centre spread in which at least one page folds out to double size, Playboy fashion), while in French a "double-page" is a centre spread only (?) and anything else is a special case, a "fausse double".

Double Page Spread
ANY two facing pages on which the layout requires that copy on both pages match at the binding edge; copy which extends across the gutter margins.
http://dx.sheridan.com/glossary/d.html

Center Spread
The facing pages in the center of a signature; also called Natural Spread. [Sheridan]

Double page spread
Two facing pages of newspaper or magazine where the TEXTUAL material on the left hand side continues across to the right hand side. Abbreviated to DPS.
http://www.jadepress.co.uk/glossary-d.php

Centre spread
In the centre of a publication, an advertisement appearing on two facing pages printed as a SINGLE sheet.

Double Page Spread (DPS)
An advertisement that covers the ENTIRE SURFACE of the left hand page, the gutter and the right hand page of a publication.
http://www.canwestglobal.com/advertising/research/glossary/p...

If the Multimedialab definition of "double page" is correct, then it has to be a "double page spread" (as opposed to a "centre spread") [différences culturelles obligent]

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Note added at 20 hrs (2008-02-24 17:22:44 GMT)
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Jus to complicate matters, a/c to Duvillier & Grüber, the French for "spread" or "double (page) spread" or "two pages facing bleed into gutter" is "double page", while "centre spread" is "double page centrale".

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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2008-02-25 00:22:09 GMT)
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Looking at the definition you found, I agree, it is clear. Still, I'm not sure there is any need to distinguish between a "fausse double" that happens to be printed on a single "feuille" and (what might be called) a "fausse double" that is printed on two "feuilles". Neither will be "double" on the paper as printed, only in the bound form.

I just use Google.

xxxBourth
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Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Bourth. You must have a better search engine than mine (Copernic) since it didn't find any of these. I appreciate the research but am still a little dubious about the possible definitions because the text is dealing with the printing process. I think what they mean is that, say 8 pages are printed on one sheet with page 1 being in the top left corner and page 2 being in the bottom left, the pages are not touching but, when folded, could be adjacent to each other. A bit of an origami puzzle!

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