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English translation: Imitation velvet (tripe)

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French term or phrase:trippes de grosse étoffe
English translation:Imitation velvet (tripe)
Entered by: Rebecca Elliott
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14:20 Nov 19, 2008
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Tech/Engineering - Textiles / Clothing / Fashion
French term or phrase: trippes de grosse étoffe
This is relating to a large exhibition for Technical Textiles.

L’industrie textile s’est installée à XXX au début du XVIIe siècle. La communauté des villageois est, alors, autorisée à confectionner des trippes de grosse étoffe, des bourras et des futaines (tissu croisé à chaîne de fil et trame de coton).

Thank you
Rebecca Elliott
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:20
coarse tripe
Explanation:
Tripe: Imitation velvet. Velveteen or Fustian

http://coxresearcher.com/definitions/fabrics.htm

I found this but I don't know how reliable it is.

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tripe 15th century imitation velvet made of wool or thread.
http://rosaliegilbert.com/fabricnames.html

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And if you need it in Italian....
Trippa -a kind of tripe (?) that they make women's saddles with called fustian of Naples
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/fabricgloss...

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Definition given in the TLF

TRIPE2, subst. fém.
Étoffe de velours dont l'endroit était de laine et le fond de chanvre et qui servait principalement de tissu d'ameublement. Synon. panne1. Tripe de velours. Dès cette époque [XVe s.] la tripe, étoffe extrêmement résistante et ne craignant ni la fatigue ni l'usure, était employée pour les sièges (HAVARD 1890).
En partic. Ornement en usage aux XIVe et XVe s., ,,qui consistait en lambels compliqués et découpés, en fronces et replis imitant la fraise de veau`` (LELOIR 1961). Les miniatures se sont animées sous mes yeux et j'y ai vu revivre les seigneurs, dans la magnificence absurde des « étoffes à tripes » (A. FRANCE, J. d'Arc, t. 1, 1908, p. LXXVIII).
Prononc. et Orth.: []. Att. ds Ac. 1694-1878. Étymol. et Hist. 1241 tripe (Compte ds Bibl. Éc. Chartes, t. 4, 1852-53, p. 34); 1394 velviau en trippe a hault poil (Arch. nat. KK 24, fol. 28 vo ds GAY). Orig. incertaine: le m. néerl. trippe serait un empr. au fr. (FEW t. 21, 1, p. 553a).

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Or 'mock velvet'.

In Abel Boyer, Nicholas Salmon, Louis Francoi̧s Fain - 1817 - French language bilingual dictionary 'tripe de velours' is called 'mock velvet'.
(Google books)
http://books.google.fr/books?id=ZnUSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA506&lpg=PA...

Although here it says it's made of cotton.
Mockado Or Mock Velvet

Mockado Or Mock Velvet. A stuff manufactured in the 16th and 17th centuries; described as a fabric made of cotton in imitation of velvet; probably similar to what is now known as velveteen or corduroy.

http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Dictionary-of-Dry-Goods/Mo...

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Mockado -
A mock velvet in which the pile was of wool and the backing of linen. Could be plain, striped, or tufted. Often used for gowns, fathingales, kirtles, stomachers, breeches, and jackets, could be guarded with velvet, embroidered with gold, and trimmed with lace. Chiefly used by those who couldn't afford velvet but was found in Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe.
http://www.vertetsable.com/research_vocabulary.htm

This definition does'nt quite fit with the French above which states the backing is of hemp rather than linen.
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Alain Pommet
Local time: 14:20
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Thank you very much for your research. I went with "Imitation velvet (tripe)" as a safe option.
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3coarse tripeAlain Pommet
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Tripes?Sandra Petch

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coarse tripe


Explanation:
Tripe: Imitation velvet. Velveteen or Fustian

http://coxresearcher.com/definitions/fabrics.htm

I found this but I don't know how reliable it is.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-11-19 16:36:15 GMT)
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tripe 15th century imitation velvet made of wool or thread.
http://rosaliegilbert.com/fabricnames.html

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-11-19 16:39:48 GMT)
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And if you need it in Italian....
Trippa -a kind of tripe (?) that they make women's saddles with called fustian of Naples
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/fabricgloss...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-11-19 16:45:00 GMT)
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Definition given in the TLF

TRIPE2, subst. fém.
Étoffe de velours dont l'endroit était de laine et le fond de chanvre et qui servait principalement de tissu d'ameublement. Synon. panne1. Tripe de velours. Dès cette époque [XVe s.] la tripe, étoffe extrêmement résistante et ne craignant ni la fatigue ni l'usure, était employée pour les sièges (HAVARD 1890).
En partic. Ornement en usage aux XIVe et XVe s., ,,qui consistait en lambels compliqués et découpés, en fronces et replis imitant la fraise de veau`` (LELOIR 1961). Les miniatures se sont animées sous mes yeux et j'y ai vu revivre les seigneurs, dans la magnificence absurde des « étoffes à tripes » (A. FRANCE, J. d'Arc, t. 1, 1908, p. LXXVIII).
Prononc. et Orth.: []. Att. ds Ac. 1694-1878. Étymol. et Hist. 1241 tripe (Compte ds Bibl. Éc. Chartes, t. 4, 1852-53, p. 34); 1394 velviau en trippe a hault poil (Arch. nat. KK 24, fol. 28 vo ds GAY). Orig. incertaine: le m. néerl. trippe serait un empr. au fr. (FEW t. 21, 1, p. 553a).

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-11-19 17:13:16 GMT)
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Or 'mock velvet'.

In Abel Boyer, Nicholas Salmon, Louis Francoi̧s Fain - 1817 - French language bilingual dictionary 'tripe de velours' is called 'mock velvet'.
(Google books)
http://books.google.fr/books?id=ZnUSAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA506&lpg=PA...

Although here it says it's made of cotton.
Mockado Or Mock Velvet

Mockado Or Mock Velvet. A stuff manufactured in the 16th and 17th centuries; described as a fabric made of cotton in imitation of velvet; probably similar to what is now known as velveteen or corduroy.

http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Dictionary-of-Dry-Goods/Mo...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-11-19 17:16:57 GMT)
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Mockado -
A mock velvet in which the pile was of wool and the backing of linen. Could be plain, striped, or tufted. Often used for gowns, fathingales, kirtles, stomachers, breeches, and jackets, could be guarded with velvet, embroidered with gold, and trimmed with lace. Chiefly used by those who couldn't afford velvet but was found in Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe.
http://www.vertetsable.com/research_vocabulary.htm

This definition does'nt quite fit with the French above which states the backing is of hemp rather than linen.


Alain Pommet
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Thank you very much for your research. I went with "Imitation velvet (tripe)" as a safe option.
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23 mins
Reference: Tripes?

Reference information:
This may help (tripes rather than trippes). I don't know what is meant by "hie fabric"

Tripes Hie (sic) fabric in France originally from Flanders, made with a wool pile and hemp warp and filling. It came in solid colors in stripes or was finished with stamped (gouffre) effect;
obsolete.

Tripes de Alfombra A woolen rug in Mexico.

http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryoftext00harmrich/dic...

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