Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Fotoexpertise, Foto-Expertise
English translation:
certification with photograph / certificate of authentication (authenticity) with (photograpgh)
Added to glossary by
Bernhard Sulzer
Oct 13, 2008 12:14
16 yrs ago
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German term
Germany
Fotoexpertise, Foto-Expertise
German to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
e.g. relating to an oil on canvas painting: "Mit einer Fotoexpertise von D. Fabiani und Ph. Cazeau, Paris, vom 7. Juni 2000"
Specifically relating to descriptions of artworks in an auction catalogue. Both formulations of the word seem to exist. I understand that an expert report or specialist's report is involved, but the word "Foto" isn't clear to me. Is this a report with photos? Or a report based on photos?
Specifically relating to descriptions of artworks in an auction catalogue. Both formulations of the word seem to exist. I understand that an expert report or specialist's report is involved, but the word "Foto" isn't clear to me. Is this a report with photos? Or a report based on photos?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | certificate of authenticity with (photograpgh) |
Bernhard Sulzer
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| 3 +2 | illustrated expert report |
Helen Shiner
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References
| Technologies |
Helen Shiner
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Change log
Oct 15, 2008 08:30: Bernhard Sulzer Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Bernhard Sulzer
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32
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certificate of authenticity with (photograpgh)
or simply:
photo expertise (used as such);
depending on your context - this could be an expertise/certificate accompanying the painting itself; the expertise and photograph could also be mentioned/printed/shown in the catalogue to prove the painting's authenticity. The gentlemen you mention are/were art gallery owners. They are probably art experts. I am not sure if they are photographic experts. It is possible that they work together with photographic experts.
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http://web.artprice.com/store/Galerie-Cazeau-Béraudière/
Mr. Philippe Cazeau, who headed up the Wildenstein Foundation for 19 years and Mr. Jacques de la Béraudière, who served as international director at Sotheby's London, have recently joined their forces and their passions to open an Impressionist and Modern Art gallery in Paris at a very prestigious address, 16 Avenue Matignon.
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http://www.artnet.com/artwork/425109189/143253/armand-guilla...
2. Dominique Fabiani and Philippe Cazeau will include this painting in a forthcoming volume of their Guillaumin catalogue raisonn�.
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http://www.32finearts.com/displaybio.php?period=2&artist=73
This work is accompanied by a certificate of authentication by Dominique Fabiani and Philippe Cazeau dated 20th December 2001.
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http://www.kettererkunst.com/details-e.php?obnr=410700027&an...
photo expertise
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http://www.detlev-niemann.de/de/content/83/page1.html
Fotoexpertise
"Breite, Höhe und Gewicht werden erfasst, soweit notwendig. Der Gegenstand wird i.d.R. mit 2 Fotographien abgebildet. Die Fotos werden zusätzlich mit einem nummerierten Hologramm gesichert. Eine Kopie der Expertise wird archiviert."
http://www.detlev-niemann.de/en/content/83/page1.html
photo expertise
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-10-13 14:22:52 GMT)
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corr.: certificate of authenticity (with photograph)
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-10-13 14:51:00 GMT)
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or, as Helen points out:
certificate of authentication:
http://www.masterpiecemanager.com/help/Menus/Print/Item/Cert...
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Note added at 1 day20 hrs (2008-10-15 08:32:06 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the feedback, Edwin! Greetings.
photo expertise (used as such);
depending on your context - this could be an expertise/certificate accompanying the painting itself; the expertise and photograph could also be mentioned/printed/shown in the catalogue to prove the painting's authenticity. The gentlemen you mention are/were art gallery owners. They are probably art experts. I am not sure if they are photographic experts. It is possible that they work together with photographic experts.
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http://web.artprice.com/store/Galerie-Cazeau-Béraudière/
Mr. Philippe Cazeau, who headed up the Wildenstein Foundation for 19 years and Mr. Jacques de la Béraudière, who served as international director at Sotheby's London, have recently joined their forces and their passions to open an Impressionist and Modern Art gallery in Paris at a very prestigious address, 16 Avenue Matignon.
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http://www.artnet.com/artwork/425109189/143253/armand-guilla...
2. Dominique Fabiani and Philippe Cazeau will include this painting in a forthcoming volume of their Guillaumin catalogue raisonn�.
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http://www.32finearts.com/displaybio.php?period=2&artist=73
This work is accompanied by a certificate of authentication by Dominique Fabiani and Philippe Cazeau dated 20th December 2001.
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http://www.kettererkunst.com/details-e.php?obnr=410700027&an...
photo expertise
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Note added at 1 hr (2008-10-13 13:30:53 GMT)
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http://www.detlev-niemann.de/de/content/83/page1.html
Fotoexpertise
"Breite, Höhe und Gewicht werden erfasst, soweit notwendig. Der Gegenstand wird i.d.R. mit 2 Fotographien abgebildet. Die Fotos werden zusätzlich mit einem nummerierten Hologramm gesichert. Eine Kopie der Expertise wird archiviert."
http://www.detlev-niemann.de/en/content/83/page1.html
photo expertise
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-10-13 14:22:52 GMT)
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corr.: certificate of authenticity (with photograph)
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-10-13 14:51:00 GMT)
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or, as Helen points out:
certificate of authentication:
http://www.masterpiecemanager.com/help/Menus/Print/Item/Cert...
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Note added at 1 day20 hrs (2008-10-15 08:32:06 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the feedback, Edwin! Greetings.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks Bernhard. Following a chat with the client, this is much closer what I'm looking for. I finally went with "certification with photograph" as, according to the client, the Fotoexpertise is actually a photograph of the artwork with a short (usually handwritten) report on the back of the photo covering title, size, condition and any noteworthy characteristics."
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25 mins
Helen Shiner
France
France
Native in English
Specializes in field
France
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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279
illustrated expert report
Given the varying technologies, I wonder whether this would be the best and snappiest way of indicating that photos were involved?
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Note added at 29 mins (2008-10-13 12:43:55 GMT)
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I would say in answer to your question that it may be a report based on photos and including photos
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Note added at 30 mins (2008-10-13 12:45:43 GMT)
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Perhaps 'illustrated specialists' or experts' report' sounds better
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Note added at 29 mins (2008-10-13 12:43:55 GMT)
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I would say in answer to your question that it may be a report based on photos and including photos
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Note added at 30 mins (2008-10-13 12:45:43 GMT)
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Perhaps 'illustrated specialists' or experts' report' sounds better
Peer comment(s):
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Hermien Desaivre
2 mins
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Thank you, Hermien (Minnie)
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Bernhard Sulzer
: expertise accompanied by a photo/photo expertise showing a "true" copy of the original: http://www.welt.de/welt_print/article2267817/War-Joerg-Immen... Fotoexpertise
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I can see this being one application of a Fotoexpertise, but they may not be limited to this./The technologies used to support authentication are various; what you refer to proves forgery; I can't see that being used in an auction catalogue.
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Reference comments
18 mins
Helen Shiner
France
France
Native in English
Specializes in field
France
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
:
279
Reference:
Technologies
This, I believe, is the technology used, to ascertain under-painting:
"infrared photography (IRP)
Photography that registers infrared light. This requires a special film and lens filter, but can be done with a normal camera. IR films are sensitive up to around 900 nanometers, or just beyond the visible range in the electromagnetic spectrum. Digital cameras, some of which are more sensitive than IR film, can also be used for this purpose. Before the invention of infrared reflectography in the late 1960s, IRP was the only method to reveal underdrawings, for which it is only partially successful.
infrared reflectography (IRR)
Infrared reflectography was developed to overcome the limitations of infrared photography (IRP) in revealing underdrawing by penetrating farther into the infrared part of the spectrum. Recent digital cameras are equipped with infrared detectors that are sensitive up to 1,500-2,500 nanometers; filters can be used to further regulate the wavelength of study. With IRR, the paint surface is penetrated to a much greater extent than in IRP, although true blacks will remain opaque under infrared. Because of the relatively low resolution of IRR systems, a large number of close-up images (infrared reflectograms or IRRs) are necessary to document a painting."
http://www.artmuseums.harvard.edu/mondrian/glossary.html
"Communication between scientist, curator, and conservator can be hampered by the specialized language used to describe analytical instruments and procedures. As a contribution to overcoming this barrier, synopses are presented of chemical and physical methods employed in the examination of paintings and other works of art. The aim is to clarify the terminology, briefly describe each method, and indicate areas of application. Methods described include infrared, ultraviolet and fluorescence photography, infrared reflectography, x-radiography and electron emission radiography, light and scanning electron microscopy, x-ray spectrometry including x-ray secondary-emission (fluorescence) spectrometry and x-ray microanalysis, x-ray diffraction and Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy."
http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/cidb/view-document_e.a...
"infrared photography (IRP)
Photography that registers infrared light. This requires a special film and lens filter, but can be done with a normal camera. IR films are sensitive up to around 900 nanometers, or just beyond the visible range in the electromagnetic spectrum. Digital cameras, some of which are more sensitive than IR film, can also be used for this purpose. Before the invention of infrared reflectography in the late 1960s, IRP was the only method to reveal underdrawings, for which it is only partially successful.
infrared reflectography (IRR)
Infrared reflectography was developed to overcome the limitations of infrared photography (IRP) in revealing underdrawing by penetrating farther into the infrared part of the spectrum. Recent digital cameras are equipped with infrared detectors that are sensitive up to 1,500-2,500 nanometers; filters can be used to further regulate the wavelength of study. With IRR, the paint surface is penetrated to a much greater extent than in IRP, although true blacks will remain opaque under infrared. Because of the relatively low resolution of IRR systems, a large number of close-up images (infrared reflectograms or IRRs) are necessary to document a painting."
http://www.artmuseums.harvard.edu/mondrian/glossary.html
"Communication between scientist, curator, and conservator can be hampered by the specialized language used to describe analytical instruments and procedures. As a contribution to overcoming this barrier, synopses are presented of chemical and physical methods employed in the examination of paintings and other works of art. The aim is to clarify the terminology, briefly describe each method, and indicate areas of application. Methods described include infrared, ultraviolet and fluorescence photography, infrared reflectography, x-radiography and electron emission radiography, light and scanning electron microscopy, x-ray spectrometry including x-ray secondary-emission (fluorescence) spectrometry and x-ray microanalysis, x-ray diffraction and Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy."
http://www.cci-icc.gc.ca/publications/cidb/view-document_e.a...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| neutral |
Bernhard Sulzer
: in the context above, I think it simply relates to adding a copy of the original art work for later comparison: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/kultur/artikel/778/180225/ Fotoexpertise;
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See my comments above
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