Industrie trifft Handwerk

08:22 May 13, 2019 

From Cellar to Roof - The Comprehensive Construction Trade Fair
Fom Hammer to Crane - Where Construction Trades Meet
Build it! - The Comprehensive Construction Trade Fair

Actually Martina, it's a header, so not EVERYONE must be mentioned.


And one for our own amusement - Meet Your Maker! Building the Stairway to Heaven

07:50 May 13, 2019 

retailers?

07:48 May 13, 2019 

It seems I was right. Recently, Martina posted a Q on another forum and it includes this tidbit: "...eine Kommunikationsplattform für Industrie, Handel und Handwerk zu schaffen..."

Best wishes

18:04 May 12, 2019 

... "professions" here at all, even with the qualifier (simply "[construction] trades" would be appropriate in my view). Martina, can you give us specific examples where "Gewerbe" is used? I'd rather base my decision/suggestion on the (micro)context in which the term is embedded.

16:24 May 12, 2019 

It can, but I don't think that's what they mean. I have a bad feeling it means Handelsgewerbe in this context (see also Martina's Baufachhandel Q). That is why I asked Steffen about it because I think the German isn't very well written. Handwerk + Industrie represent one side of the equation;
Handel the other: https://www.deutsche-handwerks-zeitung.de/hwk-ihk-oder-beide...

I think they need another German copyeditor, but I'm repeating myself.

If Gewerbe = building professions, then Handwerk would be pretty much redundant.

Best wishes

16:13 May 12, 2019 

Gewerbe can also be translated as (building) profession(s)

14:50 May 12, 2019 

...there is nothing wrong with craft trades (in AmE at least). Here you got an entire Craft Day:
https://www.pnnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=356

Or the "electrical craft trades" in Georgia:
https://djj.georgia.gov/ctae-programs

Or Nevada:
"All craft trades, including, but not limited to: carpentry, roofing, plumbing,
electrical, heating, ventilating and air conditioning, landscaping, sprinkler
systems, excavation, masonry, painting, and locksmith."
http://hr.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/hrnvgov/Content/Services/Recr...

I was hoping Steffen could answer my question about Gewerbe; the issue is, IMO, that Baugewerbe = Bauwirtschaft = Bauindustrie: http://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/lexika/lexikon-der-wirtschaft...

While Handwerk und Industrie is pretty clear to me, the Gewerbe bit is not. By the way: https://www.ihk-ostbrandenburg.de/produktmarken/Gruenden-Foe...

Ofc, you can say trades. But I'm now wondering whether small businesses wouldn't be good enough.

Best

12:08 May 12, 2019 

Definitely NOT crafts, craft sector or even craftsmanship in this context. You will have to change your translation of Gewerbe, doesn’t work.
Connecting market leaders and wholesalers in the construction industry and building trades (for Handwerk). Agree that you should move away from the German, sounds awful.

09:30 May 10, 2019 

... you should definitely get away from the German version here.

Developing Ramey's idea further:
Collective Construction Trades - Where (All) Market Leaders and Wholesalers Meet
The Prime Construction Venue/Event/Fair - Where (All) Market Leaders and Wholesalers Meet
Connecting the Construction Sector - The Prime Event for Market Leaders and Wholesalers

09:09 May 10, 2019 

Construction, Craft Trades & DIY
Where Buildings are Assembled
Collective Construction Trades

08:56 May 10, 2019 

last year: VERNETZT: WO SICH HANDWERK,
INDUSTRIE UND GROSSHANDEL
ZUSAMMENFINDEN

08:46 May 10, 2019 

What was last year's title?

08:28 May 10, 2019 

@ Ramey, yes, it's an altered version of last year's exhibitor folder for the same fair. I am allowed to make minor changes if a literal translation of the German text does not sound good.

08:20 May 10, 2019 

something like this last year. Same client? Anyway, that context clarifies much! Are you free to completely alter the header?

08:13 May 10, 2019 

@Steffen, ja genau. Der Folder ist für eine Messe rund um Bauen, Sanieren, Einrichten und Sanieren. ***Das breite Angebot fürs Bauen, Sanieren, Renovieren und Einrichten schätzen private Bauherren ebenso wie Gewerbe, Handwerk und Industrie.***

07:28 May 10, 2019 

Geht es hier speziell um die Baubranche und damit verbundene Unternehmen/Bereiche?

16:31 May 9, 2019 

is truly errant since it has so many facets in English. The qualifier is indispensable.

16:29 May 9, 2019 

The cement manufacturer can also be a small, specialized business in the construction industry. Which brings me back to my first suspicion, that the trade fair brings together construction providers from big machines to window-makers and installers: carpenters, tilers, roofers, joiners, bricklayers in the same hall as prefabricated cement walls, steel girders, cranes, etc.

14:59 May 9, 2019 

Yes, "the industry". But that wasn't obvious to me when I posted.

14:47 May 9, 2019 

I like your second option. And thanks, "qualifier" was the word I was looking for =)

I guess Michael should've taken a peek in the d-box before posting because using industry without a definite article can refer to Industrie in general but that's making everything even more complicated, IMO.

It'd be nice if our resident construction guru (haha), Steffen, could tell us a bit more about what he thinks the difference between Gewerbe and Industrie in this context is. I guess the cement manufacturer is Industrie, while the developer is Gewerbe? Getting confused here.

Best wishes

12:31 May 9, 2019 

The construction industry links up with craft trades
Construction connects with craftsmanship (is nice and alliterative)
Connecting the construction industry with craft trades

and so on...

12:28 May 9, 2019 

Yes, industry is not very elegant, at least not without a qualifier:

Construction industry meets craft trades might do it.
As for Gewerbe, I would use (construction) businesses

12:25 May 9, 2019 

Your 14:06 post didn't show until after I posted mine. And yes, that's what I thought =)

12:24 May 9, 2019 

I apologize. I only posted those two links to give a few examples of "trades"; I wasn't trying to say that Martina's text is about Oregon or any other stateside association.

I can't be sure but I think Gewerbe is the small-scale bit. Handwerk are just (specialty) trade contractors (I assume this Q is related to the other one she asked this morning).

Best wishes

12:06 May 9, 2019 

Please tell us if you're posting questions elsewhere:
http://www.translatorscafe.com/tcterms/ZH/question.aspx?
id=193543
This at least gives the context - it's a construction trade fair.

11:56 May 9, 2019 

...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_construction_trades
http://www.oregonbuildingtrades.com

You could even think about using trade contractors.

The bigger issue here is industrry. Half the time, it's Branche in German but manufacuring or similar in English. And even if it is Branche, you usually add a word (e.g., textile industry). I don't like it here.

Many online examples of "Industry meets..." are German in origin (or EU-related).

Isn't there any better way to word this?

Best wishes

08:16 May 9, 2019 

would be a good option.

08:05 May 9, 2019 

Hi Steffen, Hi Ramey,
thank you for your help! "Handwerk" in this text means the "Handwerksberufe" and "Handwerksgewerbe" but not the Handwerkskunst (artisanship)

07:46 May 9, 2019 

When they mean the quality of artisanship, trade would be inappropriate. But we need an idea of how the text approaches Handwerk.

07:30 May 9, 2019 

... könntest du "Gewerbe" als "commerce" übersetzen.

07:07 May 9, 2019 

Thanks a lot for you input! The only problem is that in some passages I also have "Handwerk, Gewerbe und Industrie" and I already chose "trade" for "Gewerbe". Could I also say "Industry meets Crafts"?