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Unter-Vertragnahme

English translation: contracting

GLOSSARY ENTRY (DERIVED FROM QUESTION BELOW)
German term or phrase:Untervertragnahme
English translation:contracting
Entered by: Dr Andrew Read

15:41 Nov 4, 2004
German to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - International Org/Dev/Coop
German term or phrase: Unter-Vertragnahme
An international development pre-qualification doc.

Who's subcontracting to whom here? How would you phrase the bit between *s? The intro paragraph gives a bit of background and shows another clearer user of "untervertrag"-ing.

Empfänger der [Development aid] Mittel ist die XXX [disease prevention organisation], die einen unabhängigen Consultant für die regionale Koordination des Programms unter Vertrag nehmen wird. Der Beginn der Durchführungs-phase wird für Mitte 2005 erwartet.

Vorgesehene Leistungen: Der Consultant wird den Programmträger unterstützen. Seine Kernaufgaben umfassen u. a. (1) die Auswahl und *Unter-Vertragnahme der nationalen Social-Marketing-Organisationen (SMO)*, (2) das Monitoring und die Qualitätssicherung der nationalen SMOen,
Dr Andrew Read
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:52
contracting
Explanation:
My understanding is that the consultant contracts the SMOs (er nimmt sie unter Vertrag). The hyphen may be misleading — my educated guess is that this does not refer to a subcontract here.
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NGK
United States
Local time: 02:52
Grading comment
Thanks, Norbert, and all others. Agree that "subcontracting" not appropriate.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +2contracting
NGK
4 +1disease prevention org. contracts consultant / consultant sub-contracts SMOs
Steffen Walter
4the subcontracting of social marketing organisations
Olaf Reibedanz
4select and conclude contracts with SMOs
Robert Schlarb


  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
contracting


Explanation:
My understanding is that the consultant contracts the SMOs (er nimmt sie unter Vertrag). The hyphen may be misleading — my educated guess is that this does not refer to a subcontract here.

NGK
United States
Local time: 02:52
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Thanks, Norbert, and all others. Agree that "subcontracting" not appropriate.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Robert Schlarb
28 mins
agree  MMUlr
20 hrs
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
the subcontracting of social marketing organisations


Explanation:
the subcontracting of social marketing organisations at a national level

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Note added at 15 mins (2004-11-04 15:56:40 GMT)
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Actually, I think some rephrasing is required here, because you subcontract work and not companies. What about this:

...selecting social marketing organisations (SMO) for subcontracting purposes on the national level

OR:

...execute subcontracts with social marketing organisations (SMO) on the national level



Olaf Reibedanz
Colombia
Local time: 02:52
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
disease prevention org. contracts consultant / consultant sub-contracts SMOs


Explanation:
IMHO (passive phrasing)

a) the consultant will be contracted by XXX and
b) the national SMOs will be selected and (sub-)contracted by the consultant.

So the *ed part would read (using nouns) 'selection and sub-contracting of national SMOs' (probably on behalf/in the name of XXX), or (using verbs) 'to select and sub-contract national SMOs', which is one of the core/main tasks/responsibilities forming part of the consultant's job description.

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Note added at 12 mins (2004-11-04 15:53:50 GMT)
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I should add that I agree with Norbert - \'Untervertragnahme\' should be written without hyphen.

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Note added at 16 mins (2004-11-04 15:57:21 GMT)
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...which means that, although there seems to be a chain-like relationship between client (XXX) -> (main) contractor (consultant) -> and sub-contractors (SMOs), the term \'Untervertragnahme\' itself just refers to the fact that some person or entity \'wird unter Vertrag genommen\' = is contracted (as expressed by Norbert).

Steffen Walter
Germany
Local time: 09:52
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Friderike Butler: all comments on this answer are good and relevant points
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39 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
select and conclude contracts with SMOs


Explanation:
I wouldn't use sub-contracting here (with Olaf)
The hyphen is definitely misplaced (with Norbert)


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Note added at 42 mins (2004-11-04 16:23:26 GMT)
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The hyphen probably results from the confusion caused by the new German spelling; originally there was supposed to be much more use of hyphens in composite words, but that does not seem to have caught on too much except in a rather inconsistent, wilful way

Robert Schlarb
Local time: 09:52
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
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