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German term or phrase:
grundstücksgleiches Recht
English translation:
chattel real
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German term
grundstücksgleiches Recht
German to English
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... die Veräußerung oder die Belastung von Grundeigentum oder grundstücksgleichen Rechten im Einzelwert von ...
I've always been unhappy with the "official"=dictionary translation: rights equivalent to real property or some such construction ;-)
Given Creifeld's definition -- "... ist ein dingliches Recht (-> Sachenrecht), das rechtlich wie ein Grundstueck behandelt wird" -- would *chattel right* be a viable alternative or would that exclude such rights as "Erbbaurecht," for instance?
Many thanks in advance for your help, esp. with regard to the meaning of the German term!
I've always been unhappy with the "official"=dictionary translation: rights equivalent to real property or some such construction ;-)
Given Creifeld's definition -- "... ist ein dingliches Recht (-> Sachenrecht), das rechtlich wie ein Grundstueck behandelt wird" -- would *chattel right* be a viable alternative or would that exclude such rights as "Erbbaurecht," for instance?
Many thanks in advance for your help, esp. with regard to the meaning of the German term!
Proposed translations
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| 2 +1 | chattel real |
Derek Gill Franßen
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| 2 +2 | Dietl/Lorenz says |
Jonathan MacKerron
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| 3 | equivalent ownership rights |
Raghunathan Rajagopalan
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| 3 | land right |
Kieran McCann
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Proposed translations
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Derek Gill Franßen
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German term (edited):
grundst�cksgleiches Recht
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chattel real
My brand-spanking-new BLD (;-) - I've always only had the pocket version) defines chattel real as "a real-property interest that is less that a freehold or fee, such as a leasehold estate. The most important chattel real is an estate for years in land, which is considered a chattel because it lacks the indefiniteness of time essential to real property. - Also termed real chattel."
I see where you are coming from with "chattel right", and it may be more fitting, but I wonder if "chattel real" might work. Creifeld's definition for "grundstücksgleiches Recht" makes me think, "No sh*t Sherlock!" But in looking at Creifeld definition of "Erbbaurecht", I can't help but see a similarity with the definition of chattel real: "[...] Mit dem Erlöschen des Erbbaurechts - regelmäßig mit Ablauf der vereinbarten Dauer - geht das Eigentum an dem errichteten Bauwerk automatisch auf den Grundstückseigentümer über [...]".
:-)
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Sorry, the definition should read \"...less than a freehold...\". ;-)
I see where you are coming from with "chattel right", and it may be more fitting, but I wonder if "chattel real" might work. Creifeld's definition for "grundstücksgleiches Recht" makes me think, "No sh*t Sherlock!" But in looking at Creifeld definition of "Erbbaurecht", I can't help but see a similarity with the definition of chattel real: "[...] Mit dem Erlöschen des Erbbaurechts - regelmäßig mit Ablauf der vereinbarten Dauer - geht das Eigentum an dem errichteten Bauwerk automatisch auf den Grundstückseigentümer über [...]".
:-)
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Sorry, the definition should read \"...less than a freehold...\". ;-)
Peer comment(s):
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Adrian MM. (X)
: chattel real = leasehold and covered by Erbbaurecht. An exceptional hybrid in Eng. land law as partakes of both a chattel/ personalty (NB spelling) and land/ realty. Hence, in Wills, 'I leave, devise and bequeath' to catch the blighter.
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Comment: "I used *chattel real*
Thank you, everybody!"
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Jonathan MacKerron
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German term (edited):
grundst�cksgleiches Recht
Dietl/Lorenz says
"Grundstücke und grundstücksgleiche Rechte: real property and equivalent rights"
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so perhaps \"equivalent propery rights\"?
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let\'s make that \"property\"
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\"equivalent property rights\" garners 25 googles
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Under this entry Dietl/Lorenz goes on to say \"Das Erbbaurecht ist ein grundstücksgleiches Recht. Es ist grundsätzlich wie ein Grundstück übertragbar und mit einer Hypothek belastbar.
The Erbbaurecht is a real property right which may be transferred or mortgaged like any other immovable
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so perhaps \"equivalent propery rights\"?
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Note added at 2 mins (2005-05-25 19:29:03 GMT)
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let\'s make that \"property\"
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Note added at 3 mins (2005-05-25 19:30:25 GMT)
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\"equivalent property rights\" garners 25 googles
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Note added at 12 mins (2005-05-25 19:38:52 GMT)
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Under this entry Dietl/Lorenz goes on to say \"Das Erbbaurecht ist ein grundstücksgleiches Recht. Es ist grundsätzlich wie ein Grundstück übertragbar und mit einer Hypothek belastbar.
The Erbbaurecht is a real property right which may be transferred or mortgaged like any other immovable
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Dr.G.MD (X)
17 mins
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| agree |
Iris Schlagheck-Weber
: rights equivalent to real property (says Schäfer)
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Raghunathan Rajagopalan
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German term (edited):
grundst�cksgleiches Recht
equivalent ownership rights
property ownership or equivalent ownership rights.....
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Kieran McCann
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German term (edited):
grundst�cksgleiches Recht
land right
or 'right(s) over land'
a general term, but so is the original
a general term, but so is the original
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