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|German to English translations [PRO]|
|German term or phrase: Urmotiv|
|"Es entstand 1825/26, und zwar erst nach op. 132; aber mit diesem und op. 130 bezieht es sich in seiner Motivbildung auf eine gemeinsame Keimzelle, ein viertöniges „Urmotiv“, das sich in allen dreien nachweisen lässt (mehrere hundert Skizzenseiten haben sich erhalten, auf denen diese Zusammenhänge zu studieren sind)."|
"... so erklingt hier eine Fuge am Anfang. In ihrem Thema lassen sich zwar zwei gegenläufige Halbtonschritte als Elemente des „Urmotivs“ erkennen, aber anders als bei barocken Fugenthemen handelt es sich nicht um eine „abstrakte“ Tonfolge, sondern eine überaus expressive Gestalt."
I find this one more than a little tricky. I remember that as a young English music student with virtually no knowledge of German, I as familiar with the term “Urtext” and its approximate significance, but I don´t think I would have been prepared for “Urmotiv”. And this text, which is to accompany a CD is not really directed at specialist music students.
So how can “Urmotiv” be rendered for English-speaking (particularly BE) buyers of CDs of Beethoven string quartets?
Seems a tad more common - please note that source #2, despite being a .de page, contains a translation by an English native speaker.
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|Thanks everyone! I think "primal motif" catches it really well - it´s just four notes, a "common kernel" from which many themes in three substantial works are formed.|
"Seminal motif" and "underlying motif" were the alternative options I considered.
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*leitmotiv* or *theme*???
not a real suggestion (could be wrong here) but perhaps in hint.
*leitmotiv* and *theme* are often used with music, films, etc.
Many google examples:
... the Lebewohl theme throughout the 1st movement foreshadow the technique of Leitmotiv. ... and friend who was renowned for her interpretation of Beethoven's music. ...
... Is this the beginnings of *leitmotiv*? ... Mozart combined recitative and melody, story advancement and emotion ... the once strict divisions between music and drama ...
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It seems to be used like Leitmotiv, ie kept in the original German. If/when you do decide to use a translation, I'd suggest keeping the German term with the English in ( ).
A in the major mode followed by thematic
block B in the minor mode. Thus in purely modal terms each rotation revisits the idea of major collapsing to minor, the Urmotif of the entire symphony. Rotation 4 brings us to the
telos or structural goal of the movement: the reconciliation or synthesis of these two the-
matic blocks. Each of the
rst three rotations begins in the tonic E and ends off-tonic. The last rotation begins off-tonic and is the only
one to conclude in the tonic key.
AmadeusOnline.net - Guide Analitiche - [ Translate this page ]
... esclusivamente agli armonici degli archi divisi, che lo ripartiscono su sette ottave: intorno ad esso i legni cominciano a disegnare l'Urmotif [il motivo ...
www.amadeusonline.net/ guideanalitiche.php?File=mahler_sinf1.htm - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
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... Italy F. The search for an Urmotif G. Examination of individual motives V. Dramatic Structure A. Development of the libretto - comparisons of historical fact ...
www.societymusictheory.org/mto/issues/ mto.93.0.2/mto.93.0.2.dis - 22k
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I don't think it would be 'leitmotif', as this would imply it was the dominant theme, and surely it would be this term in the source text anyway...
'Underlying motif' could work, as in the following sources:
"The First Concerto has 'plague' music as its underlying motif, and includes references to the Scottish explorer Maccaber, originator of the Danse macabre in Paris. Six miniatures from Liebermann's Album for the Young are included by way of an encore."
"Pachelbel's organ fugues and ricercares reflect the growing interest of Baroque musicians in the learned world of dialogue and formal elaboration, and their tendency to underline the theatrical aspect of the musical discourse through the development of a single underlying motif, the "subject" — at a time when, following the work of Descartes, the focus was on the complexity of the "thinking subject."
although, I'm not 100% sure of its suitability here...hope it helps
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