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10:43 Sep 8, 2000
German to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial
German term or phrase: nachgelagertes Controlling... vorgelagertes Controlling
die Veraenderung des nachgelagerten Controllings mit vielen Routinetaetigkeiten zum vorgelagerten Controlling mit praeventativem, beratendem Character

Is this another version of the old "proactive... reactive" adjectival pair?
Amelia
English translation:See below
Explanation:
I'd go with _proactive/reactive_ (as you had suggested ) or with _controlling before the fact_ vs _controlling after the fact_.-- I'd avoid downstream/upstream because controlling (especially in the European sense* isn't really a link in a specific process but a (sometimes distributed) management function that interacts with all business processes at some level. ---
(* From an expert at a renowned Swiss management consulting institution):
"...Controlling [ist eine] Disziplin, die die amerikanische BWL so nicht kennt, dort finden sich die Aufgaben der deutschen ControllerInnen z.B. im Bereich Management Accounting, Planning oder bei den Bereichsmanagern selbst."
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Tom Funke
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Summary of answers provided
nasee detailKen Cox
naSee below
Tom Funke
nasee below
Elisabeth Moser
nayesAnita Millar
nadownstream; upstreamCami Townsend


  

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7 mins
downstream; upstream


Explanation:
I've also seen "downstream" and "upstream" used for "nachgelagertes" and "vorgelagertes" before, albeit more in the context of computers and information flow. I like your suggestion of "reactive" and "proactive."

Cami Townsend
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9 mins
yes


Explanation:
You are spot on with your suggestion! The mind boggles sometimes how people want to sound clever by using the most obscure vocabulary. Good luck with this one!
Anita

Anita Millar
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14 mins
see below


Explanation:
I personally can not do much with upstream and downstream, even though
I agree that fig. speaking it could
get the meaning through, however, I believe only if you already know the
meaning. Thus, I would suggest the following:

the change from controlling in hind-sight with . . . to controlling in fore-sight

hind=hintenach, hintenangestellt etc.



    Muret-Sanders, Duden etc.
Elisabeth Moser
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1 hr
See below


Explanation:
I'd go with _proactive/reactive_ (as you had suggested ) or with _controlling before the fact_ vs _controlling after the fact_.-- I'd avoid downstream/upstream because controlling (especially in the European sense* isn't really a link in a specific process but a (sometimes distributed) management function that interacts with all business processes at some level. ---
(* From an expert at a renowned Swiss management consulting institution):
"...Controlling [ist eine] Disziplin, die die amerikanische BWL so nicht kennt, dort finden sich die Aufgaben der deutschen ControllerInnen z.B. im Bereich Management Accounting, Planning oder bei den Bereichsmanagern selbst."



    Reference: http://www.tectem.ch/d/project/cockpit.htm
Tom Funke
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2 days 2 hrs
see detail


Explanation:
I don't like 'proactiuve/reactive', since both terms have strong connotations that are not present in the German. 'Before/after the fact' are good as well as neutral, as are 'a priori' and 'a posteriori'. If your context provides adequate justification, you might consider the suggestion of my wife (a German and an controller who works in a multilingual European institution): 'operational/realtime' vs 'a posteriori'

Ken Cox
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