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Oberststabmeister

12:47 Feb 9, 2009
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German to English translations [PRO]
History / Court positions at the imperial court in Vienna
German term or phrase: Oberststabmeister
Again, I'm looking for another term for an employee of the Vienna court:

Zu den sogenannten Hofdiensten gehörten u. a. der Oberstküchenmeister, der Oberstsilberkämmerer, der Oberststabmeister, der Oberjägermeister und der Oberzeremonienmeister.

Thanks for your help.
My Hue McGowran
Austria
Local time: 04:05


Summary of answers provided
3 +1assuming it is Oberststallmeister : Equerry
Ingeborg Gowans (X)
2Senior Master of the Horse
casper (X)
Summary of reference entries provided
Just in case this helps...
casper (X)

Discussion entries: 8





  

Answers


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Oberststallmeister
Senior Master of the Horse


Explanation:
Typo for Oberststallmeister/Oberstallmeister


Oberststallmeister, m.
wie Oberstallmeister
[Hofstaatsverzeichnis Ferdinands II.:] obriststalmeister
...wann der kayser zu pferd oder in wagen steigt, hilfft ihm der obrist-stallmeister; eben dieses geschieht ach an andersn grossen höfen...
http://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw/


Senior Master of the Horse (Oberstallmeister)
http://tinyurl.com/d4wmuf





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Gundakerus, Count Dietrichstein, Oberst-Stall-Meister, or Chief Master of the Horse.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/travels/travels3.html

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Der königliche Hofstaat teilt sich in drei große Departements, nämlich diejenigen des Lord Steward (Oberhofmeister), des Lord Chamberlain (Oberst-Kämmerer), des Master of the Horse (Oberst-Stallmeister) und der Mistress of the Robes (Gewandkammerfrau).
http://www.retrobibliothek.de/retrobib/seite.html?id=107266

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The German Master of the Horse
In Germany the master of the horse (Oberststallmeister) was a high court dignitary; but his office was merely titular, the superintendence of the Emperor's stables having been carried out by the Oberstallmeister, an official corresponding to the crown equerry in England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_the_Horse

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You may want to google for:
oberststallmeister + "master of the horse"

casper (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 7

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Ingeborg Gowans (X): sorry, but the question was "Stabmeister", not the same??? see my note under "request clarification, yes, Stallmeister seems to fit here,
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Ingeborg. I guess we'll have to wait till the asker gets a clarification from her client about the typo, if any.
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
assuming it is Oberststallmeister : Equerry


Explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equerry
comes from the French ecurrier (ecuyer)

my aplogies to casper: he was on the right track. This seems to be the term used here

Ingeborg Gowans (X)
Canada
Local time: 23:05
Works in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you for your answers. I will have to get in touch with the author to clarify whether this word has a typo or not. I will ask her to clarify the meaning for me. Thanks again for your research.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Harald Moelzer (medical-translator): To the point! Also see: http://www.dict.cc/?s=equerry
11 hrs
  -> thanks, again, Harald, we have to see what the asker finds out, eh?
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Reference comments


4 hrs
Reference: Just in case this helps...

Reference information:
* 1. Supreme Officers of the Court (Oberste Hofchargen) - honorary functions
* o 1.1. The Grand Chamberlain (Oberst-Kämmerer)
o 1.2. The Grand Cup-Bearer(Oberst-Schenk)
o 1.3. The Grand Steward (Oberst-Truchseß)
o 1.4. The Grand Marshall (Oberst-Marschall)
o 1.5. The Grand Master of the Hunt (Oberst-Jägermeister)


* 2. Chief Officers of the Household (Oberhofchargen)

* o 2.0. The Premier Marshall of the Household (Oberhof- und Hausmarschall, i. e. chief executive officer of the court)
o 2.1. The Premier Master of Ceremonies (Ober-Zeremonienmeister)
o 2.2. The Premier Master of the Robes (Ober-Gewandkämmerer)
o 2.3. The Premier (Ober-Mundschenk)
o 2.4. The Premier Master of the Horses and Mews (Ober-Stallmeister)
o 2.5. The Premier Master of the Hunt (Ober-Jägermeister)
o 2.6. The Premier Captain of the Palace Guard (Ober-Schloßhauptmann)
o 2.7. The Premier Master of the Kitchen (Ober-Küchenmeister)
o 2.8. The Superintendent general of the Theatres (Generalintendant der Schauspiele)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Household


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In medieval and modern Germany, a stallmeister (literally, "stable master") or hofstallmeister ("court stable master") was one of the highest noble officials in a princely or royal court, responsible for the supervision of the manorial stables. The stable servants were subordinate to him. Out of this rank developed the office of marshal. In present parlance, stallmeister means Stable Master.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stallmeister#Germany

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Gundakerus, Count Dietrichstein, Oberst-Stall-Meister, or Chief Master of the Horse.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/travels/travels3.html

casper (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 7
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thank you. It could indeed be a typo, as I have found others in the text. And I have been unable to find ANY online references for this term. I have also already read the Wikipedia page that you cite here. I have found other sources that are a bit more specific. Thanks!

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