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09:45 Jun 20, 2000
German to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Human Resources
German term or phrase: Industriekaufmann
German job title
Nicole Gertz-Ross
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Summary of answers provided
1industrial business operations officer
Michael Grunwald
naNew suggestion -Dan McCrosky
naVocationally Trained Industrial TraderDan McCrosky
naIndustrial clerk / administratorAgius Language & Translation
naindustrial sales representative
Dierk Seeburg
naSee below
Anthony Frey
naSee belowWilliam Scheckel


  

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43 mins
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Explanation:
This is an occupation taht one can receive special training for. In the US, these things tend to be hidden under the catch phrase "has a degree in business." The meaning is someone who has received formal training in the business side of industry. Romain's Dict. of Legal and Commercial Terms suggests "industrial trader" or "commercial employee in industry."

William Scheckel
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45 mins
industrial sales representative


Explanation:
An alternative is industrial purchasing manager.


    Reference: http://dict.leo.org/?search=industriekaufmann&lang=en
    Reference: http://www.iee.et.tu-dresden.de/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/wernerr/sear...
Dierk Seeburg
Local time: 05:59
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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1 hr
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Explanation:
Unfortunately, I cannot substantiate this, but my suggestions are based on experience I had while working in a German company which was acquired by a US company: Kaufmann was referred to as clerical employee. Of course, this might also fit your inquiry to Buerokaufmann. As fas as I remembered, the employees with the title Kaufmann or Industriekaufmann (their term was industrial accountant) did not attend a college to attain this title, rather they went to a vocational school. I can also not say who translated the terms. These terms were already in use before I was hired.

Anthony Frey
United States
Local time: 07:59
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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1 hr
Industrial clerk / administrator


Explanation:
My dictionaty says industrial clerk but I prefer industrial administrator...it's up to you. HTH Claire

Agius Language & Translation
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:59
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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4 hrs
Vocationally Trained Industrial Trader


Explanation:
We started on these professions once before but I cannot find my records of the question. Anyway, "clerk" is not "gebildet" enough, - I am afraid "Industrial administrator" might not mean much to the readers of your translation because they will never have met one before and will never meet one in the future. - It sounds like someone who works for the UN. - Sorry Mary!!!!! - The "Industriekaufmann" often works as an industrial sales rep, especially when starting her/his career, or as industrial purchasing manager, but that is not her/his professional qualification, that is her/his occupation. - (the "her" is an Industriekauffrau, by the way, he-he-he, horrible language isn't it, but at least they have this good dual vocational training system) - To a lesser extent, the same is basically true of "industrial trader" (although this is getting close) or commercial employee in industry - (The Industriekaufperson does not have any sort of college or university degree, those people are "Diplomkaufmänner oder Diplomkauffrauen" (roughly Master's level) or Diplombetriebswirte oder Diplombetriebswirtinen (roughly Bachelor's level). - Soooo, what is she or he? - We need to show that these persons have received special school and practical training for their profession, we also need to differentiate between retail, wholesale, industrial, office management, accounting, and lastly we need to elevate these rather highly trained persons above the catch-all English word "clerk". Here are the suggestions from a few good, usually reliable, dictionaries: -

Hamblock/Wessels: - industrial or sales or purchasing clerk - here one problem is the word "clerk" and "sales" or "purchasing" are too limiting in scope. -
Eichborn: - nothing at all -
Arthur Andersen: - nothing at all -
Zahn: - nothing at all -
Romain: - industrial trader or commercial employee in industry - these last two have already been mentioned by Will and briefly discussed above. Any term with the word "employee" in it is certainly an occupation, not a profession. - That leaves us with nothing. Who is better qualified to dream up some suitable professional titles to translate these often-recurring German terms than over 500 professional German to English translators? My suggestion is "Vocationally Trained Industrial Trader". How 'bout some more suggestions?



Dan McCrosky
Local time: 13:59
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16 hrs
New suggestion -


Explanation:

Overnight I remembered a somewhat negative connotation to the term "vocational training" from my school days that might cause some problems with my first suggestion, at least in the USA. - So, into the wastebasket with that one. - What do you think of GDS (German Dual System) Trained Industrial Trader? - That has the advantage of being quite close to the German name for their professional training system.


Dan McCrosky
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industrial business operations officer


Explanation:
The focus is on business operations
Its less than a manager
It doesn't have 'clerk' or 'administrator' connotations either
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Michael Grunwald
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