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tatrichterliche Frage

English translation: issue for the trial judge

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German term or phrase:tatrichterliche Frage
English translation:issue for the trial judge
Entered by: Jane Luther

20:07 Mar 25, 2007
German to English translations [PRO]
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German term or phrase: tatrichterliche Frage
This is from a property valuation. In this bit the surveyor is describing (and justifying) her use of certain approaches.

"Dennoch wird ergänzend zu dem hier ausgewählten Verfahren [das Ertragswertverfahren] das Sachwertverfahren dargestellt, da die Auswahl des Verfahrens bei Streitigkeiten **eine tatrichterliche Frage** darstellt; dieses dient hier jedoch nur zur statistischen Information, nicht dem Vergleich und auch keiner Plausibilität des Ertragswertes."

There is a question on tatrichterlich in the database, but it doesn't help me at all, unfortunately (although that might be because my brain hurts after all this survey stuff!).

The only thing I could come up with was "... as the choice of the method is queried by the judge should a dispute arise", which might not be right at all, or might be too general, etc.

Over to all the legal eagles out there...
Jane Luther
Germany
Local time: 16:56
issue for the trial (vs. 2nd appeal-level) judge
Explanation:
The distinction between the first-round trial judge and the appeal judge should really be captured.

Judge 'on the facts' might clash with the role of an Anglo-American type jury and raise eyebrows in Eng. Common Lw countries.

The role of a trarichterliche judge is also to sift the law and pigeonhole categories.

Berufungsgericht - 1st appeal level
Revisionsgericht - 2nd appeal level.





Selected response from:

Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 16:56
Grading comment
Thanks very much, particularly for the accomanying explanation!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1issue for the trial (vs. 2nd appeal-level) judge
Adrian MM. (X)
3 +1a matter to be decided by court
Hamza Gürdal


  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
a matter to be decided by court


Explanation:
tatrichterlich bedeutet ungefähr "the intervention of a judge", d.h. es muss gerichtlich entschieden werden, falls es zur Streitigkeiten kommt.

Hamza Gürdal
Germany
Local time: 16:56
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in TurkishTurkish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kim Metzger: by a judge on the basis of the facts, maybe
42 mins
agree  Paul Skidmore: or determined by a court
15 hrs
disagree  Corinna Müller-Strehler (X): "Tatrichter" may mean a lower court judge in addition to a judge deciding on questions of fact
1 day 17 hrs
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1 day 12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
tatrichterliche (vs. revisionsrichterliche) Frage
issue for the trial (vs. 2nd appeal-level) judge


Explanation:
The distinction between the first-round trial judge and the appeal judge should really be captured.

Judge 'on the facts' might clash with the role of an Anglo-American type jury and raise eyebrows in Eng. Common Lw countries.

The role of a trarichterliche judge is also to sift the law and pigeonhole categories.

Berufungsgericht - 1st appeal level
Revisionsgericht - 2nd appeal level.







Example sentence(s):
  • ... solange der Rechtsbegriff des wichtigen Grundes nicht verkannt ist, eine *tatrichterliche Frage*, die vom *Revisionsgericht* nur daraufhin zu überprüfen ist ...

    Reference: http://www.recht.com/documents/BGH-DAT%20Zivilsachen/II%20ZR...
Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 16:56
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 790
Grading comment
Thanks very much, particularly for the accomanying explanation!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Corinna Müller-Strehler (X): with Tom, but distinction in this particular case probably not important
7 hrs
  -> Merci vielmals! Point taken, though I have only ever seen Tatrichter /tatrichterliche cases going up and up on appeal.
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