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19:22 Feb 19, 2009
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German to English translations [PRO] Medical - Medical (general) / autopsy
German term or phrase:Ablederung
From a text from the early 1820s about the role of district medical examiners in relation to the examination of animals wounded by humans.
I understand that the term relates to the removal of skin, but I can only find terms relating to the partial removal of skin and I presume that during an autopsy larger areas of skin, or the entire skin, are/is removed. I know I will kick myself when someone tells me the term, but I just cannot find it, for some reason. Please help.
Auf die Anfrage der Ostpreussischen Regierung, ob in dergleichen Fällen die Physici nicht schuldig wären, sich der Obduction zu unterziehen und ihr Gutachten abzugeben, respondierte das Obercollegium medicum zu Berlin: daß die Physici vermöge ihres Amtes allerdings dazu verbunden wären. [...citation...] Nach meiner Meinung ist dies zu viel verlangt. Solche Geschäfte gehören für den Tierarzt. Die medizinisch-gerichtliche Ablederung der Thiere mögten wohl sehr wenige Physici verstehen. [End of text]
If you are interested, the term is used on p. 40 of the above link. jccantrell - I think I landed upon 'reflection' by googling skin removal autopsy and found some instances of the term and then I narrowed my search to include it, too - probably a fatal flaw.
Dear Everybody - thank you for your help and interest. I have taken on board the point that 'reflection' may be too specific or specialised a term and have done some more gruesome research. The following link demonstrates that the term 'flaying' is in use by medical examiners for the removal of skin in a more general sense. http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/cjst/mec/Feb2008 MEC Mtg/NAME Re...
I had thought that this term was applied to the form of torture alone, but then when I think back to all of those 'beautiful' anatomical artists' drawings of 'échorchés', I do think they are often called 'flayed men', so there you have it. What to do to remove the nausea?!
Do you think I have found something that is too specialised then? I would really be grateful if someone with some technical knowledge of medicine could advise me here - you may well have, of course. I don't think 'skinning' is wrong in its meaning, I just presume that there is a more technical term and I thought I'd found it.
I don't think 'Ablederung' means 'reflection'. Inge's and Andrew's answers are closer to the meaning of the term IMO.
Reflection: # Anatomy.
1. The folding of a membrane from the wall of a cavity over an organ and back to the wall.
2. The folds so made.
In the reference cited by Helen, we have: "Reflection of the scalp exposes the underlying skull." Here too, 'reflection' has been used in the sense of folding, as one can see from the picture accompanying the text.
OK, thanks Helen. Now one MORE question, if you have the time, where in the world did you come up with 'reflection' in your search terms? All the others make sense, but 'reflection'????
Thanks for teaching me a new term.
It looks as if the term - where humans are concerned - is reflection: the skin is reflected from the body. I would be grateful if anyone could confirm for me whether this could be used in this context, i.e. in relation to animals, please.
Inge Meinzer United States Local time: 11:54 Native speaker of: German, English PRO pts in category: 8
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Asker: I was hoping that there would be a more medical term to do with the process of autopsy. It is skinning, but I would hav thought that there would be a term a district medical examiner might use.
23 mins confidence: peer agreement (net): +1
Explanation: Not-so wild guess, Helen. It's what taxidermists do. Or do you need a more pathology-oriented term?
After the hunt, the trappers turned to (the) skinning (of) the carcases.
Andrew Catford United States Local time: 12:54 Native speaker of: English
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Asker: I was presuming that there would be a more medical term relating to the process of autopsy. It is certainly skinning, but I doubt that is the term a district medical examiner would use, but maybe I am looking for something more complicated than necessary?
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Explanation: Eine Ablederung oder Avulsion bezeichnet das komplette Durchtrennen und Abziehen der ... Ablederungen können z.B. bei Unfällen mit Maschinen entstehen, ...
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the tearing off of skin patches
Ellen Kraus Austria Local time: 20:54 Specializes in field Native speaker of: German PRO pts in category: 335
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Asker: Thanks, Ellen for your answer, but I understand 'avulsion' to be an accidental tearing-away and not the precise removal which would happen during an autopsy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avulsion