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English translation: commerce committee

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03:41 Feb 23, 2000
German to English translations [PRO]
German term or phrase: "Schiffsrecht" and "Commerz-Collegium"
The context is at - http://www.lfi-tir.de/bier/holstenzeit.htm - "Schiffsrecht" might be the same as "Seerecht" = Maritime/Admiralty Law but I can't find any confirmation for this. "Commerz-Collegium" still exists as a part of or associated body, perhaps the "Commerce Board" or "Commerce Committee", of the Hamburg Chamber of Commerce but nobody there knows an official English translation for it. The same goes for "Schiffsrecht", it's used by a directory service in the town of Flensburg at - http://www.flensburg-online.com/rechtsanwaelte/schiffsrecht.... - but they don't know themselves if it means the same as "Seerecht"
Dan McCrosky
Local time: 02:09
English translation:commerce committee
Explanation:
I think you're safe in saying the "commerce committee", according to Langenscheidt. I checked out the Holsten site and the dates given for these expressions are SO old that a bit of leeway can be allowed. It might be helpful to see the "Hamburger Schiffsrecht" as a specific body of laws regarding maritime trade etc., like a codex, rather than a general term.
Not much help!
Barbara
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Barbara Schmidt-Runkel
Local time: 02:09
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I didn't really use either answer completely so I'll give Barbara 2 points here and Tom 2 on the other question number. Following is what I wrote: 1270 - Hamburg shipping codex classified beer as the most important trading merchandise. – 1890 - The royal Commerz-Collegium* ("Commercial Council") – a predecessor of the Altona Chamber of Commerce - issued the following statement concerning the Holsten-Brauerei in the early 1890s: "Initially intended for a production volume of 60,000 hectolitres, the brewery plant soon had to be expanded to a production capacity of 100,000 hectolitres in order to meet the demand of its rapidly increasing distribution area." This was accomplished in part through the installation of steam engines of up to 60 horsepower. In Hamburg and vicinity there were 32 breweries, of which 14 were limited companies.
* The Commerz-Collegium still exists today as a foundation-like adjunct to the Hamburg Chamber of Commerce and is responsible for the sponsorship of beneficial community projects.

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namartitime lawe (antiquated); Commerz-Collegium
Tom Funke
nacommerce committeeBarbara Schmidt-Runkel


  

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commerce committee


Explanation:
I think you're safe in saying the "commerce committee", according to Langenscheidt. I checked out the Holsten site and the dates given for these expressions are SO old that a bit of leeway can be allowed. It might be helpful to see the "Hamburger Schiffsrecht" as a specific body of laws regarding maritime trade etc., like a codex, rather than a general term.
Not much help!
Barbara

Barbara Schmidt-Runkel
Local time: 02:09
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in pair: 22
Grading comment
I didn't really use either answer completely so I'll give Barbara 2 points here and Tom 2 on the other question number. Following is what I wrote: 1270 - Hamburg shipping codex classified beer as the most important trading merchandise. – 1890 - The royal Commerz-Collegium* ("Commercial Council") – a predecessor of the Altona Chamber of Commerce - issued the following statement concerning the Holsten-Brauerei in the early 1890s: "Initially intended for a production volume of 60,000 hectolitres, the brewery plant soon had to be expanded to a production capacity of 100,000 hectolitres in order to meet the demand of its rapidly increasing distribution area." This was accomplished in part through the installation of steam engines of up to 60 horsepower. In Hamburg and vicinity there were 32 breweries, of which 14 were limited companies.
* The Commerz-Collegium still exists today as a foundation-like adjunct to the Hamburg Chamber of Commerce and is responsible for the sponsorship of beneficial community projects.
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martitime lawe (antiquated); Commerz-Collegium


Explanation:
Slim pickings: AltaVista word count: schiffsrecht: 8 Schiffsrechtlich: 0, schiffspfandrecht: 0 (4 pages found, three available) -- The context suggests that this may an antiquated term for maritime law; (historical table of the Holsten brewery starts with:)>>1270 -- Das Hamburger Schiffsrecht führt Bier als wichtigsten Handelsartikel au.f<< The other mention is also historical. (1640) and quite entertaining. -- BTW, In Schaefer, Schiffspfandrecht = ship’s mortgage (etc.) . Since the Commerz-Collegium is apparently listed under that roper name you actually need not translate it at all. ---
http://www.flensburg-online.com/rechtsanwaelte/schiffsrecht.... (no help, I sent email too: “keine Ahnung, sorry”) and below.



    Reference: http://www.tesof.de/museum/dinge/ahoj/1640.htm
    www.lfi-tir.de/bier/holstenzeit.htm (contains the Zeittafel)
Tom Funke
Local time: 20:09
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 2419
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