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kohärente Größe

English translation: coherent units

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German term or phrase:kohärente Größen
English translation:coherent units
Entered by: Steffen Walter

07:36 Jun 29, 2001
German to English translations [PRO]
Science - Physics
German term or phrase: kohärente Größe
Da im SI-System die Masse als Basisgröße definiert ist, muss die Kraft aufgrund des NEWTONschen Gesetzes eine abgeleitete Größe sein, der man als kohärente Größe den neuen Einheitennamen „NEWTON“ mit dem Kurzzeichen „N“ gab.

The suggested translation I am editing is:

Because mass is defined as a base quantity in the SI system, force based on Newton's law must be a derived quantity which, as a coherent quantity, was given the new unit name of newton and the symbol "N."

Sounds fine to me, except that I can't find a definition of coherent quantity in this context, and am not sure if it is a literal translation or if it is the correct term.
Can anyone help me clarify this question?
TIA, Beth
Beth Kantus
United States
Local time: 23:18
coherent units
Explanation:
In this matter we should use the word "unit"
Such a system like the metric system or SI System (comes from the French "Système International").

Quantity is acceptable in this sense but remains ambiguous, since the very subject is the internal coherence of the system it is better to refer to units.

good luck
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Yves Georges
France
Local time: 05:18
Grading comment
Thanks again to everyone for their help. I am going to use unit, as I see the point of that; however, it was coherent I was really having trouble with. I just didn't understand what a coherent unit is supposed to represent; however I trust that since the original used cohärent, it is a pretty safe bat that that's a Germanization of the English term coherent.
Thanks again very much to all of you!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
na +2coherent units
Yves Georges
na +1coherent magnitude
Alexander Schleber (X)
naYves is right
Sven Petersson
naFYI
Ken Cox
na -1Coherent quantity
lone (X)
na -1coherent quantity
Henri (X)
na -1coherent size
Dierk Seeburg


  

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14 mins peer agreement (net): -1
Coherent quantity


Explanation:
Please see site below ti decide!



    Reference: http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/~kalna/physical_quantities.html
lone (X)
Canada
Local time: 23:18
Native speaker of: Danish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Sven Petersson: No, it should be "coherent units".
2 hrs
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17 mins peer agreement (net): -1
coherent quantity


Explanation:
is OK.
Coherence between force (expressed in Newton) and mass (expressed in kg).
The relation between both is :
force = mass times acceleration.

Henri (X)
Local time: 05:18

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Sven Petersson: coherent units
1 hr
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22 mins peer agreement (net): -1
coherent size


Explanation:
Coherent size is in fact how it can be denoted. A search for coherent quantity does not turn up any results, at least not in a physics or engineering context.

Cheerio,
Dierk


    Reference: http://wigner.physics.sunysb.edu/~rr/jcp.pdf
Dierk Seeburg
Local time: 21:18
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Sven Petersson: coherent units
1 hr
  -> What are your references to back that up?
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40 mins peer agreement (net): +2
coherent units


Explanation:
In this matter we should use the word "unit"
Such a system like the metric system or SI System (comes from the French "Système International").

Quantity is acceptable in this sense but remains ambiguous, since the very subject is the internal coherence of the system it is better to refer to units.

good luck



    25 years of instrumentation
Yves Georges
France
Local time: 05:18
Works in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks again to everyone for their help. I am going to use unit, as I see the point of that; however, it was coherent I was really having trouble with. I just didn't understand what a coherent unit is supposed to represent; however I trust that since the original used cohärent, it is a pretty safe bat that that's a Germanization of the English term coherent.
Thanks again very much to all of you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alan Johnson: I think Yves gets it here. Yves' answer sounds better and appeals more to my technical knowledge
50 mins
agree  Sven Petersson: Perfect!
1 hr
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1 hr peer agreement (net): +1
coherent magnitude


Explanation:
"Größe" does not equal "quantity". The typical definition in scientific terminology is "magnitude", and not size either, which is more of a dimension. Magnitude includes any (comparative) measurement and is therefore less limited than either size or quantity.


    Oxford Duden / Webster's
Alexander Schleber (X)
Belgium
Local time: 05:18
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sven Petersson: coherent units
32 mins
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2 hrs
Yves is right


Explanation:
Soorrey, I pressed the wrong button on a non-Yves answer, which resulted in an "agree" where it should have been a disagree. Does anybody know how to change it?


    Me stupid clumsy idiot.
Sven Petersson
Sweden
Local time: 05:18
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SwedishSwedish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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1 day 6 hrs
FYI


Explanation:
From Gray & Isaacs, A new Dict of physics:

Conerent units: a system of units, such as SI units, in which the quotient or product of any two units gives the unit of the resultant physical quantity. For example, in SI units the unit of length is the metre and the unit of time is the second, so the unit of velocity is the metre per second. The base units of a coherent system ... are an arbitrarily defined set of physical quantities; all other units in the system are derived from the base units by defining relationships and are called derived units.

Ken Cox
Local time: 05:18
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
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