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in eine Art Duldungsstarre verfallen

English translation: numbness, endurance or similar

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00:17 Jun 7, 2000
German to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering
German term or phrase: in eine Art Duldungsstarre verfallen
The general context is automotive R&D. The specific sentence reads, in part: "Es kann jedoch keine Rede davon sein, dass die XYZ-Entwickler [confronted with more stringent regulations] ... in eine Art Duldungsstarre verfallen würden wie das Kaninchen angesichts der Schlange." AltaVista shows several dozen pages including this term -- from pig romance(e.g. >>Die sogenannte Duldungsstarre - Ein Duftdrüsensekret des Ebers mit erstaunlicher Wirkung, nicht nur auf weibliche Schweine>Die meisten glauben an die marktradikalen Spekulanten, wie Kinder an den Weihnachtsmann. In einer Art Duldungsstarre wird die Katastrophe durch Trägheit und Ignoranz selbst heraufbeschworen. Ich bin mit dem Freiheitsbegriff von Friedrich Engels groß geworden...>Maximizing Sow Herd Output
Tom Funke
English translation:numbness, endurance or similar
Explanation:
Use sth like "numb" in the figurative sense of "numb with shock/fear" etc. "Duldungsstarre" is used here in a figurate sense (a good explanation of what it means in the animal kingdom can be found at http://www.quarks.de/schweiss/k02_05.htm) but don't stick to its original meaning. Since "Duldungsstarre" has to do with pigs originally the comparison with rabbits doesn't work, strictly speaking. So, I'd consider leaving the comparison out. Translate just the feeling of not being able to do anything about things.
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MargitH
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MargitH hit the nail right on the head: >>"Duldungsstarre" is used here in a figurate sense. Since "Duldungsstarre" has to do with pigs originally the comparison with rabbits doesn't work, strictly speaking. So, I'd consider leaving the comparison out. Translate just the feeling of not being able to do anything about things.<< That was the right approach to create good English copy. Thank you Marge and all the others for your good answers! Tom

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Summary of answers provided
nabecome mesmerized (or paralyzed) victimsNancy Schmeing
naoops oops oopsKen Cox
nabecome mesmerized (or paralyzed) victimsNancy Schmeing
natrancelike immobility (or passive trance)Oliver French
napigs vs. rabbits & snakes
Tom Funke
nanuance belowNancy Schmeing
nasee belowBeth Kantus
naoopsKen Cox
naassiduous stare/gazeLu Tyree
nasee below
Dierk Seeburg
naassiduous stare/gazeLu Tyree
napetrified / paralyzed with fearDan McCrosky
naThanks already ... but keep it up ! :-)
Tom Funke
nanumbness, endurance or similarMargitH
napassive acquiescenceDan McCrosky


  

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20 mins
passive acquiescence


Explanation:
or would you prefer something more colloquial?

Dan McCrosky
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27 mins
see below


Explanation:
oh.. oh.. oh.. (the sound of thumb and middle finger snapping) can I try? How about 'However, no one can say that once confronted with more stringent regulations the developers were going to act like deer caught in headlights.' or some such similar (gotta love alliterations) version?
Cheerio,
Dierk

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27 mins
assiduous stare/gaze


Explanation:
assiduous in the sense of gewissenhaft, ie the rabbit knowing itis going to get bitten by the snake, knowing the stringent regulations are not going to go away...

Could use patient rigidity, but the above is I believ a standard phrase (used once every hundred years in the automative industry!).

Lu Tyree
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27 mins
assiduous stare/gaze


Explanation:
assiduous in the sense of gewissenhaft, ie the rabbit knowing itis going to get bitten by the snake, knowing the stringent regulations are not going to go away...

Could use patient rigidity, but the above is I believ a standard phrase (used once every hundred years in the automative industry!).

Lu Tyree
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32 mins
petrified / paralyzed with fear


Explanation:
Addendum: Really there are two meanings here. The passive acquiescence might fit the sow better, but the rabbit is more like being petrified / paralyzed with fear.

Dan McCrosky
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33 mins
numbness, endurance or similar


Explanation:
Use sth like "numb" in the figurative sense of "numb with shock/fear" etc. "Duldungsstarre" is used here in a figurate sense (a good explanation of what it means in the animal kingdom can be found at http://www.quarks.de/schweiss/k02_05.htm) but don't stick to its original meaning. Since "Duldungsstarre" has to do with pigs originally the comparison with rabbits doesn't work, strictly speaking. So, I'd consider leaving the comparison out. Translate just the feeling of not being able to do anything about things.

MargitH
Local time: 09:25
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MargitH hit the nail right on the head: >>"Duldungsstarre" is used here in a figurate sense. Since "Duldungsstarre" has to do with pigs originally the comparison with rabbits doesn't work, strictly speaking. So, I'd consider leaving the comparison out. Translate just the feeling of not being able to do anything about things.<< That was the right approach to create good English copy. Thank you Marge and all the others for your good answers! Tom
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46 mins
Thanks already ... but keep it up ! :-)


Explanation:
I knew this would bring out all you literati out there. Remember this has to fit a bunch of intrepid design engineers, presumably with fairly high T-ratings (Testosterone). The equivalent of orthopedic surgeons among physicians.

I'll sort through all your interesting & helpful responses sometime later in the morning here in Ohio. (Some of those Web pages are hilarious; but I refuse to review any more pigfarming URLs).



Tom Funke
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1 hr
oops


Explanation:
sorry, I meant 'helpless immobility'

Ken Cox
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6 hrs
see below


Explanation:
how about "...lapse into a state of hypnotic paralysis/frozen tolerance..."
>>>dierk is right, deer (and rabbits) are often said to be caught in the headlights (an analogy which should appeal to your high-T group), but if I remember correctly from all the nature films I ever saw in school, the snake always fixed some poor bird with a hypnotic stare that paralyzed it.
Good luck!


Beth Kantus
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12 hrs
oops oops oops


Explanation:
well, Proz somehow lost my first response, to which 'oops' was a comment. what I said was that the literal meaning is 'acquiescent rigidity', but you probably don't want that, so maybe 'helpless immobility'. Or maybe rewording would help - something like 'don't know which way to turn'.

Ken Cox
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19 hrs
become mesmerized (or paralyzed) victims


Explanation:
"You can be sure that the XYZ design engineers would not become mesmerized victims like a rabbit before a snake."

Or, a bit freer:

"...engineers wouldn't stand there with their mouths open"

Nancy Schmeing
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20 hrs
become mesmerized (or paralyzed) victims


Explanation:
"You can be sure that the XYZ design engineers would not become mesmerized victims like a rabbit before a snake."

Or, a bit freer:

"...engineers wouldn't stand there with their mouths open"

Nancy Schmeing
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1 day 8 hrs
trancelike immobility (or passive trance)


Explanation:
Since the context is rabbit and snake I don't understand how pigs get into the act. The usual explanation of the rabbit's immobility in the face of a threatening snake is that it is hypnotized by the snake, i.e. in a trance. Though Starre strictly means rigidity it is here better translated as immobility.

Oliver French
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1 day 9 hrs
nuance below


Explanation:
A significant part of the impact of that prose in German is the reference to the verb dulden, meaning to allow something to happen to you. The rabbit allow the snake to harm it.

Nancy Schmeing
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1 day 10 hrs
pigs vs. rabbits & snakes


Explanation:
>>Since the context is rabbit and snake I don't understand how pigs get into the act.<< ... The literal answer to this question is this: >>Der Eber hat zwar keinen Achselschweiß. Dafür produziert er Androstenon im Speichel und lockt damit über Kilometer eine empfängnisbereite Sau an. Kommt sie näher verfällt sie durch das Androstenon erst in die so genannte "Duldungsstarre" und dann vefällt sie dem bedrängenden Eber.<< ---
The less literal but more meaningful answer is that rabbits and snakes are no closer to the REAL context (a situation in automotive R&D) than are pigs, or if you will, sows and boars. --- Actually, NONE of the 40 Web pages found in an AltaVista search for "duldungsstarre" came even close to relating to the general context or the specific situation. But they -- and your many good answers -- were useful in helping me understand the range of meanings behind the term and to formulate effective English copy. I just wish there were more KudoZ points to award. Thank you one and all for your kind and prompt assistance!




    Reference: http://www.quarks.de/schweiss/k02_05.htm
Tom Funke
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